School shooting in Madison Wisc (this time).

There were plenty of guns around and they were a lot easier to buy. Every store sold them from the hardware store to all the department stores like Sears and J C Penny. Firestone automotive stores even sold guns. There were a lot of gun sales adds in magazines as well for the major brands. I didn't know anyone who had a gun safe when I was a kid. Most had gun racks or fancy gun cabinets that matched the furniture where the guns were displayed. I had a three gun rack in my bedroom when I was a kid that came from S&H green stamp store.

 

the total absurdity of your comment made me laugh

 

we were asked wth is america thinking electing that bozo. i mean, wtf. what was the basic thing we got from people we dined with in France and the UK last week, but I guess it depends on who you are associating with when you travel.

 

Hopefully we can learn about this situation; a cumulative effort to learn about them may take longer than what we may individually have the patience for, but giving up altogether is never an acceptable option.

I don't think getting rid of all the guns will ever be an answer.
I do think additional gun restrictions in some form may be useful (try some temporary measures and see how they play out).
It would be interesting if not useful to learn more about the dynamics at play (motivation, missed cues, etc.)
It would also be interesting to learn if there's any significant medical and/or psychological history or if there's more of a clean sheet in that regard.

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Just had to walk away from a coworker the other day that still thinks sandy hook was a false flag....

 

There are a lot more guns now. 20x more now than in 1965. Many of its cumulative. We still have those guns plus making millions more.

 

An unfortunate truth. If that didn’t do it, nothing will. Arming teachers is dumb. But I’m fine with a couple of retired marines at every school. This is a fixable problem that we refuse to fix.

 

LOL. And LOLOLOL some more.

How much training do you think it would take to properly train (potentially) unqualified novices? Just a day or two a year? Few weeks? Would a few weeks a year, annually, get someone who had potentially never used firearms before, well enough trained to deal with an active shooter, in an environment full of children? My senses are telling me "hell no", lol.

What's the cost to the school district? Certainly this training wouldn't happen during instructional time, so we're effectively talking about overtime pay. Does this affect insurance rates in any way?

How about teacher retention? It's probably just like covid. I'm pretty (at least 100%) certain that there are quite a few teachers who would be as unwilling to work in an environment of untrained gun-toters, as if they were asked to be in a room(s) of 20-30 people all day during covid. Yeah, so we'll lose......who can say, but let's guess......10-30% of our teachers most likely?

This idea is laughable. I actually hope Texas does it, so we can laugh at them. Or maybe Florida, they're desperate to be just as bad as TX nowadays.

We've got to stick with the more reasonable ideas we've seen from Trumppublicans on school shootings, such as having only one door in a school. 1.5 hours for dismissal, and 3 for fire drills is a lot better than this, lol.

 

It's worth considering...if you arm the teachers, you're going to one day read about a teacher losing their cool or even a student getting access to the teacher's firearm.

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If we had a congressional shooting every few weeks you see some real changes in safety procedures. Since it is only school kids though.

 

I agree there are more guns now. Not sure legal access is easier as buying one legally is much harder and most people that I know these days are better about keeping them out of reach or locked up. I say most as there are still plenty of idiots that leave them where kids can get them. The ones that make me mad are the ones that leave handguns in unlocked vehicles. There are reports of that happening almost daily in the Ocala police reports. I am not a fan of more gun laws but I would like to see something done to make people stop leaving their guns in their cars. That is the biggest supplier of guns in the wrong hands out on the street.

 

Also what the graphs don't address is although there may be 4 or 5x as many guns out there today I doubt the # of gun owners has increased that much......There are a bunch of collectors today that have dozens of guns. Back in the 50s/60s someone might own a couple of guns for hunting and maybe one for home protection.

 

Opening fire in crowded, cramped rooms environments requires very specialized training. Are we seriously going to suggest that Ms Smith, elementary school teacher, should undergo gun training reserved for military and specialized law enforcement? Can we see the madness here?

Even with the best training, something like 20% of hits are expected to be bystanders on a good day.

I’m struggling with the logic here. I’m not for the abolition of firearms, but I do think it’s time we seriously consider legislation to regulate them.

 

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Yes, posted many times.... but the point is still valid.

 

feel free to explain why this idea is absurd

 

I think the best thing to do right now is to have one entrance with a metal detector and campus security at that entrance. It is done for the courthouse and the airport and it would not be that hard to do at the schools. It could be set up at the front gate for schools with multiple buildings. Better than doing nothing.

 

Yep, because we all know those guns all "think" alike. They all have the same story to tell.

 

You are aware that schools only allow entrance through one door already (for non-students to enter)? And that courthouses have multiple exits, besides the one they use for entrance (like schools). So your proposal is to do nothing differently?

 

Why would it take 1.5 for dismissal or 3 hours for a fire drill? You are just making stuff up now. Gun grabbers like you would only be happy if they outlaw guns.

 

LOL. How long do you think it would take for 600 - 4,000 students to exit through a single door for, say, a fire drill.......and then wait to all enter back again through the single door? You ever been in a school in the last 50 years or so?