Science wins again w/ Global Warming

In the 1950s, some of the smartest scientists in the world thought we lived in a Steady State Theory Universe... no consensus even back then. Science!! Lol...

 

It’s not a matter of “belief,” for one, its objective reality.

Both Kyoto and the Paris plans are, honestly, pretty conservative. Assuming meeting the climate crisis would be ruinous for the global economy is simply inaccurate.

For example, in the United States, we need to make substantial upgrades to our infrastructure. A lot of our grid is populated by old, poorly insulted electrical lines that allow a lot of energy to escape as heat. Further:

• Construction and maintenance of wind turbines creates jobs and lots of them.
  
• Manufacture of solar panels drives job creation from collecting resources, to manufacturing, and finally maintenance/decommissioning.
  
• If properly implemented, carbon capture is labor heavy all the way to decommissioning.

This doesn’t even account for the massive amount of capital and grants involved in the energy transition. Hell, I’m a COR on a major CCUS joint research project between industry and academia on how to designs wells to better keep injected carbon in the ground.

…there’s also the massive economic cost that will come if we do nothing. We’re already seeing damage to plantations that raise coffee and coca due to constant excessive heat and inconsistent rainfall. I believe I posted an article about this previously.

 

Your takeaway on Germany is curious because one of the German issues is they UNDER invested in renewables due to being OVER reliant on natural gas, specifically Russian natural gas. If they hadn’t become so reliant on Russian gas and boosted renewables they wouid have been more resilient in the face of Russian belligerence. Obviously their sunsetting of domestic nuclear energy provided a double blow.

I’m not sure any “lesson” can be applied to the U.S. as we aren’t likely going to have supply abruptly cut off due to war, and unlike ze Germans we don’t rely so much on foreign sourced, actually are already a net exporter of oil and nat gas (though I guess with Trump in office we need to watch out for those pesky Canadians).

 

Accurate post. Germany bet heavy on nuclear and then erroneously decided to shut their program down because of what happened in Kyoto, never mind that the reactor in question was WAY out of date.

Nuclear has an important place in future power generation and modern reactors are supremely efficient, waste wise.

 

Germany still uses nuclear power, except they import it from the Czech Republic, where it is manufactured, no doubt, more dangerously than the German nuclear plants would have made it.

 

I’m still at a loss why they decommissioned their own plants, minus a knee-jerk to Fukushima. Some were older, yes, but not beyond their service life or without options to upgrade.

 

An over-reaction by Merkel. They were committed to wind and solar, but not nuclear. They were so committed to solar, in fact, that some people were caught generating electricity at night, shining spot lights on their solar panels (the refund for solar power at one point was significantly greater than what they were charging for electricity). The current electricity cost is about $0.61/kW-h, which is about double what the residents of the most expensive U.S. states (Hawaii and Massachusetts) charge for electricity, and quadruple what parts of Florida charge for power.

 

Thanks for the detailed response!

 

some interesting info

Climate change ‘greatly overestimated’? Oceans cooling Earth far more than we thought

 

I’m shocked it took this long for this study to come out. It’s honestly fascinating.

TL;DR - Methanethiol emissions are higher because of our releases of sulfur-heavy pollutants of which have an undetermined effect on the environment.

It doesn’t provide evidence why AGW isn’t an important subject, or equally, how to manage our effect on the environment. It also doesn’t impact ocean acidification or other issues associated with carbon emissions.

 

we can fall for the GW fraud and do things that will cost us trillions and it won’t matter one iota. The 2 biggest polluters in the world will still be polluting the world

 

It’s not a fraud. It’s established science. I’m not advocating pulling the carpet from under the economy, either. Check earlier posts I’ve put up about the subject.

I mean, even major players in oil and gas concede it’s real.

 

Hey, @g8orbill, you can passively disagree with reality, but that’s your choice:

Climate – Chevron.com

Our climate target | Shell Global

2024 Advancing Climate Solutions Report | ExxonMobil

You’re sticking your head in the sand when the most invested deniers aren’t doing so.

 

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So what is the fraud, specifically? That CO2 is a greenhouse gas? That greenhouse gases cause warmer temperatures on earth? Or that human beings are creating CO2?

 

anything the GW crowd goes on about is a fraud- you want to believe it be my guest but all the whoa is me we are doomed bs is just that- the polar ice cap is not melting- the seas are not rising- and if we don’t spend trillions of dollars our planet is doomed - it is all utter nonsense- yes I know you believe it so knock yourself out- all the prognostications since the 70’s. none of them have happened

 

You know better than experts, eh?

 

Why does it feel like the aggregate IQ of this board has dipped recently?

 

so tell me of all the prognostications about GW what has actually come true