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Musk - Homelessness a LIE

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  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    and djt will likely believe him. wonder how all those struggling MAGA voters a paycheck or two away from being on street will feel about this

    i agree that there is a segment of homeless that are in that position due to addiction and mental health but there are lots of others that are struggling to afford rent, something neither of the children of privilege would have any concept of

    Elon Musk calls homelessness a ‘lie’ and ‘propaganda’ — and Trump is listening

    To Elon Musk, the word “homeless” is a “lie” and “a propaganda word”.

    “Homeless is a misnomer. It implies that someone got a little bit behind on their mortgage, and if you just gave them a job, they’d be back on their feet,” he told former Fox News personality Tucker Carlson in October. “What you actually have are violent drug zombies with dead eyes, and needles and human feces on the street.”
     
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  2. Trickster

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    Unbelievable. When you're worth north of $200 billion, you can pretty much say and do what you want, especially when you gave millions to Trump's campaign. Imagine if Biden had done that.
     
  3. slocala

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    He’s not the type to say something without being educated on a topic. He’s also a troll and probably trying out Trump’s tutoring on flooding the zone.
     
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  4. demosthenes

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  5. OklahomaGator

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  6. demosthenes

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    Buying twitter was a mistake (even he knew it at the time which was why he tried to back out) but that has nothing to do with his current staggering amassed wealth. He bought it for $44B and it’s worth $12B now.

    If he hadn’t taken out $44 billion to buy twitter it would be worth $81 billion now meaning he would be worth an additional $69 billion. That would have put him right at half a trillion dollars. I guess when you’re worth that much who gives crap. That’s like me buying a Honda Civic.
     
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  7. OklahomaGator

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    You are looking at it at a micro level, look at it from the macro level.
     
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  8. G8trGr8t

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    He is up due to the market believes his influence with djt will decrease his regulation and favor his companies over competetors
     
  9. G8trGr8t

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    But without massive Twitter support for djt does Musk have influence with a potus
     
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  10. g8trdoc

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    Having now worked over 20 years with the homeless population I understand his position. However I’d point out that being a homeless child or teenager is a very different issue.
     
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  11. BLING

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    Musk is spouting nonsense.

    Supposedly less than half of homeless are junkies and alcoholics. A sizeable chunk for sure. But even if they are exactly as he described (all 100% drug raging zombies), it is still a problem which “exists”.

    A lot of the perpetually homeless are mentally ill, and being junkies is basically them self medicating. Some probably cant be helped even with treatment, some can. His description of the issue is disgusting. Doesn’t really get at any solution either. Considering a likely outcome of this admin would be increased poverty and homelessness, I guess they are laying the groundwork to dehumanize them in advance.
     
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  12. GCNumber7

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    Bingo. Buying Twitter was never about valuation. Twitter is a propaganda machine. It worked.
     
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  13. l_boy

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    While he likely exaggerates and uses harsh language, in terms of those you seeing living on the street it is largely true that they are mostly mentally ill and/or drug addicted. Somebody who can’t afford housing but isn’t addicted will likely live with somebody else like a family member or friend, or at worst live in their car.
     
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  14. ATLGATORFAN

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    was just typing something similar….. seemingly pointing out the obvious. And then maybe making inroads on actually Getting some the help the need.
     
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  15. l_boy

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    Having said that it is a complicated subject.

    How The Atlantic's Big Piece on Meth and Homelessness Gets It Wrong | Benioff Homelessness and Housing Initiative

    it’s likely true that most homeless in the streets are mentally ill or drug addicted. However some places with higher addiction rates have lower homeless rates, as housing is cheaper. I have seen first hand drug addicts who will all pile into a cheap apartment or home here in TX. Also the argument can be made that the homelessness can lead to drug addiction in some cases instead of the opposite.

    How The Atlantic's Big Piece on Meth and Homelessness Gets It Wrong | Benioff Homelessness and Housing Initiative
     
  16. Trickster

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    doing something worthwhile ? The man has revolutionized pretty much everything he touches. Job well done sir
     
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  18. wgbgator

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    When people say this sort of thing, its mostly an excuse not to do anything about housing or the situation in general. If you talk with anyone that works with the unhoused/homeless, they will tell you this is not true. The vast majority of homeless at any given time arent addicts or mentally ill, and they typically are only homeless for a matter of days or weeks. They wind up in that situation because they've exhausted their network of family or friends, or didnt have one in the first place. There is a class of people who are long-term living on the street, and that probably grates on your mental health, but its hard to say what the majority is there either, as no one seems to want to study the problem. In Florida, they just criminalize it so you can call the cops on basically anyone that looks homeless. Our temporary housing plan is sending people to jail, and I suspect given the courts recent rulings this will be the case elsewhere too. I have a few people that stop into my place of work regularly that are what I would say "long term" homeless. I think they are both living of their cars. The only sign of mental illness in either is the lady that thinks Obama is secretly running the country, but she has the same beliefs as a red state jet ski sales person. Would I say they are doing well? I wouldnt, because their health will probably decline faster than people who can afford housing and stability. But they are functional and personable. Given the cost of housing, more people are going to fall through the gaps into the longer term, but I think people have it backwards. Homelessness (and poverty in general) creates mental illness, its not the cause. Some people are better at coping than others, but its not something we should test people's sanity with.
     
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  19. wgbgator

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    "Revolutionized" = turn into shit
     
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  20. mdgator05

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    What is the macro level? It was part of ingratiating himself with a political party and using that relationship to get special advantages from the government to make him more wealthy? Hooray for crony capitalism?
     
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