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Syria

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Dec 2, 2024.

  1. G8trGr8t

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  2. OklahomaGator

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  3. G8trGr8t

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    yes, it is the crack of the ME
     
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  4. G8trGr8t

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    not a good start. this is what happens when you let things happen rather than make things happen..the US, or someone, could have offered substantially better terms than Russia for those bases

    Russia strikes deal with Syrian rebels to keep crucial bases


    Russia has reached an informal agreement with Syrian rebels from HTS, allowing its presence in military bases in Hmeimim and Tartus, Bloomberg reported.

    Despite previous conflicts with the Syrian rebels from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), Russia continues to operate its military bases in Hmeimim and Tartus.

    Russian military bases in Syria, especially the naval base in Tartus, hold strategic significance for Moscow. Tartus is the only Russian port on the Mediterranean Sea, making it a key support point for Russian operations in the region, including in Africa.

    Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia, Mikhail Bogdanov, emphasized that Russia wants to maintain these bases to "continue the fight against international terrorism." However, a decision on the continued stationing of Russian forces in Syria has not yet been made.
     
  5. OklahomaGator

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    Are they a legitimate government that can make a long term deal? Granted that gives them a heads up in future negotiations.
     
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  6. uftaipan

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    That’s what I was thinking. Nothing these guys agree to today may mean anything a few weeks from now. But it probably does mean you’re not going to see them climbing the walls at those two bases and killing a bunch of Russians. And that’s not exactly bad news.
     
  7. OklahomaGator

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    Really surprised the Biden Administration wasn't in there trying to secure those leases. It would have been a huge blow to Russia.
     
  8. uftaipan

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    Nothing Jake Sullivan fails to do should ever surprise you.
     
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  9. vegasfox

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    There's no evidence "the chemical attacks were the work of the Syrian military."

    Even Noam Chomsky has praised "the esteemed blogger known as Moon of Alabama" as he called him in a Truthout interview. Bernhard's posts are known for their accuracy and precision. His debunking of the NYT and WaPo is legendary (in some circles).

    Here's one of Bernhard's posts taking issue with the official US narrative on the Ghouta chemical attach near Damascus:
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/04/hersh-turkey-behind-sarin-attack-in-syria.html

    As for Bashir Assad's father using chemical weapons, the father is not the son. Bashir's older brother was supposed to take over the presidency of Syria but he was killed in a car crash. Bashir is a medical doctor (some say he was trained to be a surgeon) who imo never wanted to run the country. If you listen to any of his interviews he seems pretty reasonable and logical. Bashir protected people of many faiths in Syria. There was no motive for him to engage in the chemical attacks he was blamed for. The Al Qaeda head-chopper types backed directly and indirectly by the US had motive. Deploy chemicals, blame Assad and America becomes your air force (and you get a propaganda victory).
     
  10. G8trGr8t

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    Biden following djt advise and stay the hell out of it?
    Stuff happens. Either you make it happen or you let others make it happen. Nature abhors a vacuum
     
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    Starting with the fact that we really have no idea (yet) what if anything the Biden Administration is doing with respect to events in Syria, “staying the hell out” can mean anything from not taking an active military part in assisting the rebels (and it does not look like we did that or are doing it) to taking zero military, economic, diplomatic, and/or informational measures whatsoever (and we are not doing that either, clearly, since we have been bombing known ISIS camps and, at least, looking the other way while Israel takes far more active measures).
     
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    If Noam Chomsky praised the Moon of Alabama, then all of us are wrong and Assad wasn’t torturing his citizens or using chemical weapons despite video showing his use of chemical weapons.

    Sorry, but I’m feeling salty and where in the hell is the $2k you owe me? Hidden deeper in Russia than those weapons? Put up or shut up as everyone else seemed to pay on bets placed here since then for the general election.
     
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    Contact retired pharmacy professor Ron Lyon (@RxCzar on X) and he will confirm that I had four 99% scores on my Pharmacy College Admission Test (PCAT) which was the bet. Contact Gary Hogrefe pharmacist for Target in North Fort Myers. He will confirm. Contact pharmacist Ron Jonnes (in Miami last I heard) he will confirm.

    I offered Victoria in the UF pharmacy office $1000 to come up with my PCAT transcript. UF doesn't keep them on file anymor (as they previously did). Since you will accept no proof other than the transcript the bet is off. You would not accept the recollections of 3 people who know what my PCAT score was, so I dropped the bet. You owe me $2000 but I let it go because I know you have no honor and would never pay.

    And for the record your previous post addressing me regarding the war in Syria was so clueless I didn't reply to it. Now I will.
     
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  15. OklahomaGator

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    Trump doesn't want US Troops involved but he might see a good real estate deal if he can get a military port at 10 cents on the dollar.
     
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    A little more on the impact of the end of the Assad regime and and it's impact on Iran. As previously stated in post #152 it mark the end of Iran's attempt to establish a new Persian empire.
    The Syrian Upheaval Has Iranian Leaders Reeling, Too
    In the days since the abrupt and unexpected obliteration of Iran as a dominant presence in Syria, the government has faced a fierce public backlash over the billions of dollars spent and the Iranian blood shed to back the Assad regime. The criticism has come from unexpected corners, including conservatives, and is flowing freely on television channels and talk shows, and in social media posts and virtual town halls attended by thousands of Iranians. It also appears on the front pages of newspapers every day.

    One former lawmaker, Heshmatollah Falahatpisheh, said in a social media post that Iranians should rejoice at the fall of Iran’s longstanding ally, President Bashar al-Assad of Syria. “No one will be able to waste Iran’s dollars for maintaining a spider web any more,” he said. While opponents of the government have long bristled at the money Iran has sent all over the Middle East, the sentiment now seems to have spread. Even some who fought on their government’s behalf in Syria or lost family members in the civil war there are asking if it was worth it.

    The Assad regime, some noted, was not the only loser to emerge from the uprising. Ebrahim Motaghi, a professor of international relations at Tehran University, said on a talk show that Iran had been reduced from regional power to merely another country. Some questioned the very foundation of Iran’s strategy over the past decades for making itself a dominant regional force that would confront Israel and its main backer, the United States: Tehran’s support for the array of militant groups across the Middle East that it called the axis of resistance.
     
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  17. OklahomaGator

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    Iran had to either be flying supplies into Syria or driving them through Iraq. Shipping them would require going through the Suez canal and would be expensive I would think.
     
  18. G8trGr8t

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    Trump tower Damascus is more likely the re deal that would get his interest. Why do you think he hung the kurds out to dry...Trump tower istanbul...silly emollient clause
     
  19. G8trGr8t

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    Driving through Iraq
     
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    So did they let you use a pill counter on the test or did you have to count the pills by hand ;)
     
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