UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot - 12/9 UPDATE: CAUGHT

Mark Cuban is pretty fun. Elon Musk used to be fun. But generally speaking, yeah I agree.

 

Fascinating that “gator95” found my post about my family’s issues with healthcare as “funny”

Some people are ghouls. Many end up as CEOs and clutch their pearls when people get mad. Others are simply ghouls.

 

I don’t know about “fun” but I feel like Gates does a lot of stuff in the Rockefeller mold, just more targeted toward Africa. He’s donated more than $60 billion toward causes like polio, malaria, tuberculosis, AIDS, fresh water, college scholarships, etc.

 

Culture Wars are so 2024. 2025 is the return of class wars.

 

When you have a systematic approach to valuing excessive corporate profits, executive compensation, etc that literally depends on denying people in need of their basic durable medical equipment, medications, procedures etc then it's not really surprising to see a breaking point. I doubt this it it either because we are such an ADHD society that this will be old news soon.

My wife said that if any good comes out of all this it's that people are discussing how screwed up our Healthcare is and maybe some changes will happen. I told her I expect a few politicians to wag their fingers and grandstand in a public hearing followed by zero significant changes and the topic disappearing into oblivion again.

 

I just assumed that's already an accepted issue. The whole thing is incestual as government, Healthcare, insurance and medical billing all keep things as is.

 

It’s the fault of progressives …

The American progressive movement is responsible for providing the political class the intellectual cover they needed to break the healthcare market and transform the entire system into a means to transfer wealth to people like Brian Thompson. Now, they want to sit back, pretend like they’ve never gotten their way, that the government has never done anything with the healthcare market, and that these healthcare executives just popped up and started doing this all on their own—all so they can celebrate him being gunned down in the street. It’s disgusting.

https://mises.org/mises-wire/progressivism-and-murder-health-insurance-ceo

 

America’s failure to offer healthcare to its citizens ? Like Canada and the UK? You think united is bad ? People in Canada and UK would pay double for that kind of access.

do we need some changes? Yes. Moving to single payer the answer? Lunacy to advocate that

Canadian Health Care Leaves Patients Frozen In Line

Growing number of people face 18-month waits for NHS care in England | NHS | The Guardian

 

Hmmm …

 

IDK. I like Amazon. It's brought value to my life, and that's all I ask of my billionaires. Make something, create jobs, etc. as opposed to finding ways to stick a straw into existing revenue streams or assets. All the guys getting rich of algorithmic scheming can go . . . themselves. If you can't see the difference, I guess we're done here.

 

Oh, if some rando on Twatter posts it, it must be true. Especially if they have weird (see: "iconic") bleached hair.

 

Find me a single one who would trade systems.

Don't bother. You can't.

This is why Medicare (already public/private) expansion is 1000x more realistic than switching to the Canadian/British one-size-fits-all system. Or, if you prefer, "egalitarian" healthcare. Problem here is you shove everyone into the same line for services. Medicare offers ways for people to buy different levels of additional coverage, which allows you to spread that out over multiple lines. No, it won't be egalitarian, but it would achieve the purpose of guaranteeing a certain level of coverage for everyone. And if you want more, you can buy it.

 

It's a little thing conservatives like to do to seemingly mock your posts (and/or things they don't understand). I view it as the white flag of intellectual capitulation. Or, a Badge of Honor if you prefer.

 

Who do you think spends millions to make sure it stays that way? You know, on the likes of the fine Sen. Jim Clyburn for instance. Oh, my bad. I'm not supposed to bring him and his ties to healthcare and big pharma up. . . or I'm a racist. See how that works? Sort of like getting Clinton/Rubin to do the dirty work on deregulation that couldn't be done under Reagan/Bush. Buying. . . er, "Capturing" the opposition is a damn effective strategy.

 

of course my experience is my experience. Although we are fortunate in that our family income is fairly high, we actually use the insurance I get through my work and negotiated by a union. I only say that because despite our income we plug into the exact same services as guy making 70k in same union. I suffered a lisfranc injury in training and after seeing one of Atlantas best orthopedists I waited exactly 5 days for surgery for repair. My 5 yo had her tonsils removed ( yes they still do this for very large tonsils) and we waited a full week to have her surgery. Where our income does help is we also pay for concierge medicine from a physician about 2 miles from our house that we use for pretty much day to day care. Put me and my family down as preferring existing services vs single payer models referenced above in links I posted.

 

And yet you're probably anti-union. I guess it works for you so . . . . everyone else? Is this your take?

 

The British system is not single payer. It is single provider. Single payer systems are characterized by private providers but government payment and price negotiations. Single provider systems are characterized by government medical facilities.

 

I’m not and have never been anti union. I just understand there are additional costs associated with collective bargaining. I’ve been doing what do for 25 years. I’ve been asked and refused( although we don’t use the phrase ‘I refuse’ for reasons I won’t get into ) to move equipment I felt was unsafe based on my experience and had the union to back me up when company would try to penalize me for doing so. Trying to keep it on topic count me as someone who prefers the current system and doesn’t hail mr P90x who elected to shoot a guy in the back, as some hero.