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UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot - 12/9 UPDATE: CAUGHT

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Dec 4, 2024.

  1. snatchmagnet

    snatchmagnet Bring On The Bacon Premium Member

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    So without going thru 21 pages, for attorneys out there, how is this not premeditated? Or maybe it is, I thought I heard 2nd degree. Maybe that can still be premeditated
     
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  2. vaxcardinal

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    He’s blocked his extradition
     
  3. duggers_dad

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    Fact Check: Yes …

     
  4. VAg8r1

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    More accurate to say that's he's delayed it. Under the Uniform Criminal Extradition Act (UCEA) he will be extradited to New York. His refusal to waive formal extradition procedures simply delays his removal to New York by a few weeks to maybe a month.
     
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  5. fubar1

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    Sorry if I offended your sensibilities, but Luigi is a Sociopath and it doesn’t take a degree to recognize it.
     
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  6. fubar1

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    Again, best to not let your emotions get the best of you.
     
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  7. GatorJMDZ

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    You have to look to New York law, not your preconceived ideas about degrees.. I just went through the NY statute very rapidly, but premeditation does not appear to be one of the specified circumstances to bump an intentional killing to first degree murder. That's why it is charged as a second. If I missed something, someone please point it out.

    Murder First
    NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

    Murder Second
    NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov
     
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  8. PetrolGator

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    You didn’t offend my “sensibilities” and spare me the passive aggressiveness.

    You aren’t a professional who has evaluated this person. Shelve your emotional analysis and let the experts do their job. This isn’t about him; it’s about the legion of people with mental illness that have to endure idiots mischaracterizing serious conditions.
     
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  9. cluckugator

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    The mainstream / traditional / old school digital media (YouTube) isn’t giving this story the credit it deserves for God knows whatever reason.

    But I just spent 45 mins looking at TikTok and Instagram reactions and they would make TooHot blush. There is no luke warm support for this killer. Just die hard support.

    I’m still trying to wrap my head around how someone with two UPenn degrees could be so dumb in failing to cover his crimes, but he is going to create a huge debate regarding healthcare that hasn’t been around since Obama first ran.

    Create a TikTok account if you want to see for yourself.
     
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  10. BLING

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    It was most definitely “premeditated” regardless of whether the state considers it 1st or 2nd degree.

    I think JMDZ meant to say NY state does *not* bump it up to 1st degree based on pre-meditation alone. In FL pre-meditation does automatically qualify as 1st degree. There’s a long list of things that do qualify as 1st degree murder in NY but apparently just straight up planning a hit on someone is 2nd degree murder.

    Probably a distinction without much difference as NY abolished the death penalty decades ago.
     
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  11. GatorBen

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    They haven’t technically abolished it, in as much as their death penalty statutes do still exist (parts are in Article 22-B of the New York Corrections Laws).

    That being said, it’s currently impossible for New York to actually seek or impose the death penalty.

    The Court of Appeals declared part of the jury instructions for sentencing in death penalty cases unconstitutional in 2006 (on the basis that it violated due process because, if the jury was deadlocked on penalty, they called for the judge to instruct the jury that if they were unable to reach a unanimous decision the judge would decide on a sentence that could be anything from 20 years to life without parole, and that was potentially unduly coercive because it may force jurors who believed the defendant deserved a life sentence to vote for the death penalty to make sure the judge didn’t make the defendant eligible for parole).

    The legislature has never fixed the statute with the penalty phase jury instructions, the courts subsequently applied that ruling to everyone already on death row to reduce their sentences, and New York has since removed its death chamber equipment on the assumption that there is no interest in ever fixing the statute to make a death sentence possible again in the future.
     
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  12. GatorJMDZ

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    Thanks. You are correct, I fixed it.
     
  13. vaxcardinal

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    There’s a reason TikTok is bad for society
     
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  14. surfn1080

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    Wait so the guy who went out of his way to get fake IDs and a ghost gun, decided to go sit in a MacDonalds instead of a drive through all the while must of knowing there was a poor image of some of his face out there.
    On top of that, he decided to have his fake ids, ghost gun and manifesto on him oh and while we are at it, someone at that location looked at him long enough to think he looked like the half faced photo we had of him and he didn’t recognize he was been looked at??
    Lmao anyhow more proof the left has gone nuts. Not only do you have guys like this going around shooting people but he is being championed by some on the left as a hero. All the sudden the left likes guns
     
  15. citygator

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    What a stupid take. Or should I say another stupid take?

    Dude is the son of a right wing family that owns country clubs and a right wing radio station, cousin to a right wing politician, has posted Tucker Carlson and Peter Thiel clips on twitter railing against wokeism, post tech bro right wing takes himself, graduates from Trump's alma mater, is a gun fanatic that may manufacture his own gun, is a workout meathead educated in the wealthiest of schools.. yea... a real left winger bro.
     
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  16. BLING

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    It went from innocent dance offs and #planking, to the #blackout challenge, to the Benadryl chicken challenge, to the “assassinate a CEO” challenge.

    What will those crazy kids think of next!?
     
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  17. wgbgator

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    Dont worry, once we force the sale to an American, we can get that algorithm finally tuned to deliver neo-nazi and right-wing scammer friendly content like honest to god American social media
     
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    This kid’s Uber entitled background shows how ridiculous the online ”populist folk hero” take is. Reality check: the only thing that triggered him was his own insurance claim being denied, and ironically it sounds like his family could have afforded it all no problem.
     
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  19. wgbgator

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    Class traitors can be folk heroes, ever heard of Robin Hood?
     
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  20. PetrolGator

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    My friend sent me this and I’m not sure if it’s been posted before. Allegedly, it’s a final-ish posting from the shooter.

    I get his anger. Entirely. I live with a chronically ill patient who must fight every six months for our (good) health insurance to keep covering her plasma infusions. She’ll get them the rest of her life. Without insurance, I’m responsible for $37K a month for the plasma, home health nurse, and equipment necessary to give her the veneer of an immune system. Even then, she’s constantly catching respiratory infections that require treatment.

    Hearing “cost prohibitive” from BCBS Federal on an alternative that would effectively eliminate her higher frequency of infections, that lead to progressive lung damage, produces feelings of rage and helplessness that cannot be fully put into prose. Our immunologist thinks that it likely shortens her life expectancy by at least a decade. That’s a [expletive] decade I’ll be without the one I love most.

    For me? Insurance has been battling covering medications that keep my bipolar I controlled. They allow me to function and do my job well. If I lost my healthcare coverage I have, I’d be out between $300-$500 a month just to ensure I can control my illness.

    I work the boring Federal job I do to cover my healthcare costs. Previously, I worked in a role I loved in industry where I was helping develop new well construction methods to prevent groundwater contamination in hydraulically fractured wells. I loved my field work. I loved the energy. However, family comes first.

    If the Trump Administration gets its way and strips my Federal health insurance, I have three choices:
    1. Forego medical treatments and suffer the consequences.
    2. Find some way to afford less expensive, but far lower quality treatments and suffer the financial and personal consequences.
    3. Move to a country that doesn’t bankrupt people with healthcare.
    America has the most expensive healthcare among western nations, and yet, like he said, our life expectancy isn’t great. Why? Greed.

    I could never choose to kill another human being. I’ve seen people die in my line of work and that traumatized me. Still, the anger? It’s not unreasonable. All of this for a [expletive] you, I’ve got mine mentality…

    Link: https://archive.is/2024.12.09-23065...p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences
     
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