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Daniel Penny found NOT Guilty of criminal negligent homicide.

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  1. OklahomaGator

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    Verdict was just announced in NYC.
     
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  2. OklahomaGator

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    For the lawyers on here a quick question. I know he can not be retried on the second charge where he was found not guilty. But can he be tried on the first charge since the judge dismissed it?
     
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  3. citygator

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    Wasn’t it a hung jury? I wonder what the reaction will be if the Insurance CEO murderer gets a hung jury?
     
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  4. CaptUSMCNole

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    The jury could not come to decision on the manslaughter charges so the ADA and Judge agreed to drop it over the objections of Penny's lawyers. I believe the charge he was found not guilty of was negligent homicide, which had a much lower sustenance attached to it.
     
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  5. uftaipan

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    I find it very curious that the jury was hung on the more serious charge but then found him not guilty on the lesser. I would think that since there was at least one holdout for “guilty” on the first charge that there would be even more favoring “guilty” on the second. Unless it really just was one intransigent person the first time around and by the time they got around to deliberating the second, they just said, “To hell with it. I’m never going to get them to go along with me.”
     
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  6. uftaipan

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    On the first charge, which was dismissed. Not guilty on the second.

    This just occurred to me: was the dismissal on the first charge the kind that has the effect of a “not guilty” guilty verdict in terms of double jeopardy?
     
  7. 92gator

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    No. Barred by double jeopardy (which attached upon the jury being sworn in) bc it stems from the same act(s).
     
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  8. 92gator

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    The CEO was executed in cold blood. This guy was defending 3rd parties from an active threat.

    How are you even trying to make a connection???
     
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  9. Donzo

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    Disgusting comparison.
     
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  10. citygator

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    Seems like there was disagreement on that otherwise it would have come back “not guilty” as opposed to a hung jury. I didnt follow that closely honestly.
     
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  13. citygator

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    Lots of heartless reaction to CEOs death. Only takes one juror like maybe happened here. Or a few.
     
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  14. gator95

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    Justice prevails!
     
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    At this point Daniel Penny's biggest problem would be a civil suit filed by members of Jordan Neely's family for wrongful death keeping in the mind that the standard of proof in a civil trial is much lower than that of the guilt beyond a reasonable doubt burden of proof necessary for a criminal conviction. Remember that the Goldman and Brown families prevailed in a civil lawsuit against OJ Simpson even though Simpson was found not guilty of the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. I'm not saying that Daniel Penny will be found civilly liable but it is a real possibility.
    Jordan Neely father suing Daniel Penny after acquittal – NBC New York
     
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  16. duggers_dad

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    If, in the civil defense trial, Penny is on the hook for the GDP of Delaware, as in the case of Alex Jones … I predict he’ll have no shortage of benefactors.
     
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  17. Donzo

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    Yes... With that said, there was a very funny joke about it in that thread.

    "empathy is out of network or not covered for UHC CEOs"

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    I'm really wondering if the lawyer's involved in that case are going to want to continue to move it forward after today. The DA could not convince a jury to convict Penny of the lowest charge, which does not bode well for the civil case. The other issue is even if you concede that Penny could be found guilty in a civil trial, would the penalty be significant enough to justify all the expenses with the case, and would Penny have the means to even pay it?
     
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  19. 92gator

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    OJ and Alex Jones were eminently collectable.

    This guy is a regular Joe ex-marine--not worth the money to go after him--and @duggers_dad --hell no, you don't @#$#@%^ reward contingency attorneys by making a non collectable guy, worth the @$^#@ hunt.

    You're gratuitously putting a target on his ass, in some stupid hope of making a statement???

    With friends like that...

    Keep your favor. His best defense (repellent, really) against a civil claim is poverty.... at least until the statute of lims runs.
     
  20. wgbgator

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    The assassin should just claim the CEO was being scary, should work on a jury it seems
     
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