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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. chemgator

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    Russian-style air defenses protect Iran against the American weapons used by Israel. It only took one sortie of 100 F-35's for Israel to knock out ALL of Iran's air defenses in October, as well as destroy their missile manufacturing capability for a year. In case you were wondering how Russia's defenses would fare against the U.S. military, Russia would apparently be wiped out in a few days. (Iran has SAM systems equivalent to the S-300; they tried to get the Russian S-400, but could not get them.)

    Israel showed the 'power' of F-35s in destroying nearly all of Iran's air defenses without a loss, UK admiral says

     
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  2. chemgator

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    Russia is losing two wars at the same time: Ukraine and Syria. The prize that may become available is a Russian surveillance radar system captured by Syrian rebels.

    Syrian rebels capture Russian radar that detects Storm Shadow missiles

     
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  3. CaptUSMCNole

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    NCR
     
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  4. vegasfox

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    Russia told us what the 3 red lines were to avoid war. The US wanted war so the red lines were ignored.

    Lavrov outlines the 3 necessities for a peace deal:

     
  5. vegasfox

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    Zelensky is in exit plan mode. Peace deal should be announceded in February
     
  6. duggers_dad

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    Russia is losing the war like Georgia Tech lost to Cumberland.

    Now Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Kuleba has fled to the U.S.
     
  7. OklahomaGator

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  8. duggers_dad

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    EU-NATO on a putschist spree. Fighting for democracy, my patootie …

     
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  9. sierragator

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    Cumberland says hello
     
  10. PITBOSS

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    Wow, quite the squadron.
    I’m not sure the general public realize how more advanced 5th gen (f35) is vs 4th gen (f15)
     
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    And in recognition of negotiating the peace deal Donald Trump will be awarded the Neville Chamberlain memorial award.
    Appeasement and 'Peace for Our Time'
    On September 30, 1938, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain received a warm welcome from a cheering crowd when he returned to London after negotiations in Munich with Adolf Hitler. Chamberlain had just left a summit where he and the prime minister of France, Edouard Daladier, agreed to Hitler’s demands for Czechoslovakia to cede a portion of its territory known as the Sudetenland to Germany; in return, Hitler assured the Western Allies that he had no further territorial ambitions. Standing on the airport tarmac, the prime minister read from a statement he and the German Führer signed that morning, pledging that their new agreement was “symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.”[1] Speaking later that day outside the Prime Minister’s Office at 10 Downing Street, Chamberlain proclaimed, “I believe it is peace for our time.”[2]
     
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  12. uftaipan

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    Chin up. None of that has happened yet. With the Russia-backed regime in Syria falling as we correspond, Putin's negotiating position is getting progressively weaker.
     
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  13. uftaipan

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    While I would like the general public to be more aware of things like this, the important thing is that Russia, China, and Iran are all aware of the disparity between their aircraft technology and ours. And now they are, even if they were not two years ago. The overwhelming success of the Israeli strike on Iran has put to fact what was only opinion until recently.
     
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  14. sierragator

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    Yep, if Assad falls that is very bad news for pootie pie.
     
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  15. demosthenes

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    How other than some minor optics? Is there something I’m missing about Syria?
     
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    Another great video from Jake Broe, though in my opinion he spends too much time on the South Korea situation. The most interesting part occurs at about the 17:00 mark. A Russian official let slip key data about the devastating casualties they are taking. Remember, to deceptively keep its published numbers lower than they really are, Russia does not "count" (among other categories) missing or unidentifiable personnel. This official slipped up in public and said 48,000 families have submitted DNA to try and get resolution on their family members who have not been heard from but for whom they no longer receive pay or benefits. Another official quickly tried to shut her down and stress the importance of secrecy when it came to that figure (another telling action). Now that may not neatly correspond to 48,000 dead personnel because a single family may have more than one missing member, many families of the disappeared may have not submitted requests, some of the missing may be defectors whom the Ukrainians do not report as prisoners, and such. But that is a full quarter of the Western total estimate and way above the number Russia does report. Consider that Russia also does not count prisoners and such among its total. As I said almost two years ago, there is only so long you can hide the full scope of this disaster.

    Russia Accidentally Reveals Shocking Casualty Numbers - YouTube
     
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  17. chemgator

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    Some more detail on Russia's problem in Syria: Assad's family has been evacuated to Russia (no word on whether they have been fitted for military uniforms yet or not), but Russia cannot seem to do anything to help prop up Assad's regime. Russia's military might is getting weaker and weaker.

    The big question seems to be if Russia can evacuate its air force bases before the rebels capture them.

    Assad’s family ‘flees’ to Russia – but Kremlin ‘won’t come’ to Syrian leader’s rescue

     
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  18. vegasfox

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    By bringing up Neville Chamberlain you're inadvertently making the case for the stupidity of WW2 and the Ukraine war.

    Chamberlain insanely told the Poles that if they resisted Germany retaking the port city of Danzig then Britain would fight with them. 90% of the Danzigers wanted to become part of Germany again (Germany lost Danzig via the 1919 Treaty of Versailles).

    So Britain started a world War that would obviously end with it being battered, bloodied and bankrupted, costing it its Asian/Indian, Middle Eastern and African empires. France lost its Asian and African empires. Half of Poland got annexed by Stalin. The people of the Baltic countries and East Germany got to live under communism for decades. France got to live under Nazi rule for 5 years. The liberated peoples of Europe's former empires came to Europe and are colonizing them now. And let's not forget the 50-70 million people who died in the war.

    So who really won WW2?

    Similarly the people of Eastern Ukraine overwhelmingly wanted independence from Ukraine. Ukraine, the US and other countries in Western Europe wanted war. How's that working out? It's working out pretty much exactly like duggers_dad or I would have told you on day 1.
     
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    In very short, simple terms, the naval base they have there is extremely important to their national security strategy. That’s why they intervened in 2016.
     
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  20. chemgator

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    Russian air force pilots are reporting that vultures are starting to circle their aircraft due to the stench of them losing the war in Ukraine. Occasionally, a vulture makes a diving attack at a plane in mid-flight. :)


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    Technically, this happened in Brazil and did not involve Russian pilots or planes over Ukraine. But it would be funny if it did.