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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. okeechobee

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    Yep, just because this particular war is a bad idea doesn't mean the U.S. is getting everything wrong. Our military tech better be much superior to the Russians, considering our budget. I am more concerned with their hypersonic capabilities, but less so than I am China's capabilities in that area. I think even Russia, Putin understands their tech is vastly inferior, which is why they threaten nuclear retaliation every other day of the week. I also believe they understood the gamble that was going into Ukraine, but in their minds, it's a red line and so here we are.
     
  2. vegasfox

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    You guys are looking foolish. Get up to speed by listening to a real Russian/US military expert, Andrei Martyanov. Or Scott Ritter. Martyanov:

     
  3. G8trGr8t

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    Ukrainian strikes intensify with secret UK missile supply

    Ukraine may possess a larger number of Western missiles, which it can use to conduct strikes deep into Russia. According to Bloomberg, citing its sources, Kyiv is believed to have received a new batch of conventional, tactical, long-range Storm Shadow cruise missiles from the United Kingdom.

    This is reportedly the first such transfer since Keir Starmer assumed the position of Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. A few weeks ago, the deliveries of Storm Shadow missiles, which were not publicly disclosed, were conducted. The exact number of missiles involved is unknown. However, Bloomberg notes that the transfer happened before the United States and the United Kingdom announced permission for long-range weapon attacks deep into Russian territory. According to the service, the British Ministry of Defense declined to comment on these reports for security reasons.

    The additional Storm Shadow missiles—conventional, tactical long-range cruise missiles carried by aircraft with low detectability—may significantly strengthen Ukraine. Kyiv has already conducted its first attack on Russian territory using this weapon. As reported by Reuters, this occurred on November 20, at around 6:00 PM Eastern Time. Ukraine reportedly launched around 10 Storm Shadow cruise missiles towards Russia. Social media even showed photos of alleged remains of Western missiles.

    Storm Shadow, weighing about 2,866 pounds and measuring 16 feet 9 inches long, is designed for effective attacks on strategic targets, such as air bases, communication centers, ports, or underground facilities. Equipped with a BROACH warhead weighing about 992 pounds, the missile can penetrate even 7-13 feet of reinforced concrete. Thanks to the Turbomeca Microturbo TRI 60-30 turbojet engine (with 1,215 pounds of thrust), it can reach speeds of 621 mph and hit targets at a range of 155 to 248 miles, regardless of weather conditions or time of day.
     
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  4. CaptUSMCNole

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    The S-400's performance, Russia's premier Air Defense system, is making your claims look foolish. If the Russian technology is so good, how come it cannot do what the Iron Dome is doing in Israeli when it comes to intercepting rockets and missiles?



    Ukraine Targets Russian S400 Air Defense System in Kursk with Precision ATACMS Strike
     
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  5. CHFG8R

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    Yeah, but Scott Ritter is a REAL Russian expert.

    Meanwhile, everything Mark Galeotti says is a lie.
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    another case of how Ukraine is providing the US and it's allies with intel to help us protect ourselves going forward. high speed, electric pwoered attack drones to deliver cyberwarfare to incoming drone fleets or to imapct them directly in lieu of a patriot or comparable.

    New US Drones Tested on Ukraine Frontline Hailed as 'Game Changer'

    This integrated defense solution offers robust protection against digital and physical threats, ensuring enhanced security for critical systems on the battlefield.

    The Hitchhiker is a high-speed, electric-powered interceptor drone designed to destroy enemy drones, such as the Iranian Shahid, more cost-effectively than traditional defense systems like the expensive Patriot missile. It has been described as a "game changer" by Admiral Mike Hewitt, a cybersecurity investor and a director of the US-based IronNet, who said the two companies would transform the way countries are protected from a joint cyber and drone attack.

    He told National Security News: "Astrion is a counter-unmanned Air System (UAS) company that can basically provide complete coverage of a country from threats by drones. It can see drones, classify them, track and then it can destroy them with their own drone that they launched from multiple locations." "So it's really going to be twofold," Hewitt said. "One, IronNet will provide a cyber, resilient cybersecurity collective defense system for the Astrion network, which is critically important because the way to disrupt the counter-UAS network is via a cyberattack of some kind. Additionally, what we are developing is the ability for IronNet to actually deliver cyber payloads against the adversary drones using this network."

    He added: "IronNet has their Iron Dome capability, which would then be applied to the Astrion counter-UAS ecosystem to give it cyber protection, which is critically important for them to be able to operate in what we would call a 'denied environment' because I can promise you that one of the attacks that would happen to disrupt the counter-UAS system would be a cyberattack in advance, perhaps, of the drone launch.

    "We have shared this capability of both IronNet and Astrion with different leaders in Ukraine that are on the front line. And I will tell you the feedback we got is how fast can you get this capability here? And that came from people that are actually executing in the front lines at a very high level. "So we took that with a great deal of confidence that this would be a game changer in Ukraine. Our intention is to bring this collaborative partnership to Ukraine."
     
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  7. uftaipan

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    No idea which troll you’re responding to here, but anyone still trying to inspire fear in Russia’s IADS is watching a different war (well, two different wars since Israel just showed us how easy it is to destroy Russian tech with our tech). Might as well also tell us how scary good the Russian Air Force is, on the cusp of air superiority in 12 hours for — what? — a thousand days now.
     
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  8. vegasfox

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    Russia Oreshnik missile dominance. No air defense system in the world can stop it. The system is mobile and can fire from camouflaged positions. Fired from Russia it can hit any target in Europe in 20 minutes.


    The new missiles, named Oreshnik (hazel), is a RS-26 variant with a shorter range and a payload of six (instead of the previously four) multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRV). Each reentry vehicle can carry six sub-munitions. The payload can be inert, destroying the target by the shear power of its kinetic energy, high-explosive or nuclear.
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/11/why-these-new-russian-missiles-are-real-game-changers.html
     
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  9. vegasfox

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    The US has nothing like this

     
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  10. vegasfox

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    World rankings 9f air defence systems
    #1 Russia S-500
    #2 Russia S-400
    #3 Israel David Sling
    #10 Iron Dome
    Top 10 Air Defence System in the World 2023: Check Best Air Defence System in the world with Range and Maximum Speed

    Military Watch magazine rankings
    World’s Top Multirole Air Defence Systems: From Russia’s S-400 to Israel’s David’s Sling
     
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  11. Donzo

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    What? rusia is getting it's asses kicked by a small 2nd tier army. Up to 180,000 dead rusians. rusia is so bad they have to get help from N. Korea- North Freakin' Korea! lol

    rusia's military is a dreadful mess.
     
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  12. CaptUSMCNole

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    All those rankings are at least 12 months old and have been overtaken by events. The S-400 has sh*t the bed on the battlefield over the last 12 months. But keep trying.
     
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  13. CaptUSMCNole

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    If they are so good and cannot be stopped, why does Ukraine still have power stations still up and running across the country?
     
  14. uftaipan

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    What is it that “can’t be stopped?”
     
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  15. vegasfox

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    Because Russia is letting them operate
     
  16. 92gator

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    Take him off ignore, he brings a lot to the board. Easily one of the most entertaining posters on here, with some pretty good links to boot.

    Dude is categorically not a 'bot' btw.

    Just a suggestion.
     
  17. chemgator

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    They probably expect massive gov't subsidies to produce oil at a loss. Trump likes throwing money at corporations, so that might be an option for him.