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  1. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

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    Who do you think ends up subsidizing ERs when bills can't be paid?
     
  2. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Who in their right mind would EVER believe the govt can make anything more efficient?
    The govt will make healthcare worse. It’s a waste of time to argue anything else.
     
  3. mdgator05

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    Check how much countries with more government involvement in healthcare spend per patient compared to the US.
     
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  4. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I’m shocked to hear you think more govt is best.
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  5. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Doubt other countries you consider doing it correctly with healthcare are apples to apples with USA.
    They are almost always some tiny nation with little to no comparison.
     
  6. mdgator05

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    Small size should actually decrease efficiency. But would Japan work? Japan spends $4,150 per patient compared to $9,451 per patient in the US.
     
  7. Orange_and_Bluke

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    You think Japan is a comparable nation to USA?
    Finding another health system to compare is not an easy task.
     
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    You sound like Nancy Pelosi holding on to her Raytheon stock
     
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  9. mdgator05

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    Okay, so you are hiding behind everything is different. Find me a single system with more government involvement with the same or higher per capital spending as the US on healthcare.
     
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  10. Orange_and_Bluke

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  11. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Dude you’re a libbie through and through.
    You’ll always want to expand govt and tax and tax and tax.
    And tax the “rich”
    US is a very unique place that you want to flip upside down.
    It’s not happening bud.
    You want to live in Europe but apparently don’t know it.
     
  12. mdgator05

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    So you can't find a single one and are waving your hands around furiously to distract from that fact and hoping that nobody notices. Okay, thanks.

    But, if you want to look in the US, compare Alaska with Hawaii. Two states with high costs of everything. But Hawaii has nearly universal health coverage. Check out how much a patient spends on healthcare in Hawaii compared to Alaska.
     
  13. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Those two states are completely different animals.
    Dude, just start planning for a trip to France.
    You will love it.
     
  14. mdgator05

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    Once again, everything is different...except for the fact that more access to healthcare seems to lower costs. No matter what the circumstances are.
     
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  15. Orange_and_Bluke

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    So dumb.
    Not even the libbbes agree with you.
     
  16. mdgator05

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    It is factual. You just don't like reality. The fact that you couldn't come up with a single example of lower costs in healthcare in systems without government involvement in the entire world shows the point.
     
  17. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I don’t scour the libbie web to make assumptions.
    That’s what you do.
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  18. mdgator05

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    No, looking for data isn't an assumption. It is the opposite, in fact. An assumption is what you do. What you assume is that whatever you say is right without looking for empirical evidence to back it or dispute it.

    Amazing how you think reality has a liberal bias.
     
  19. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Wow, it’s not an assumption because you found it on the web?
    Dude…you can’t be serious.
     
  20. mdgator05

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    No, data isn't an assumption. It is data. You just don't like what the data says. That doesn't make it an assumption. It makes it data that disputes what you want to be true.

    If it helps, here is a definition of assumption (although it comes from an online dictionary):

    Finding data is a way to provide proof. You just don't like it. That isn't the same as a lack of proof.
     
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