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Biden's Legacy

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Nov 22, 2024 at 9:28 AM.

  1. G8trGr8t

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    Instead of a steady hand that led the country from a darkness to a new vision with a bright future in spite of four years of maga madness, he will be remembered as a speed bump in the middle of the maga darkness, all because he failed to honor his commitment to be a transformative figure. him, and his team of advisors, allowed their ego and lust for power to cost us a chance at a better future. make no mistake, we have djt because biden didn't get out of the way and open the primary.

    This author summarizes it well and reflects my long-held belief that the dem party forced two bad candidates on the american people and both times we got djt. he is the ultimate dei benefactor as the dems tried to force two dei candidates on the US and djt benefitted from both failures.

    Biden Wanted to Be a Transformative Historical Figure. Instead, He Will Be a Footnote | Opinion

    Biden could face an even worse fate, because by the time Trump leaves office in 2029, he will have been the dominant focal point of American political life for over 12 years. Even when Trump wasn't in office, he monopolized our attention. With the fallout after Jan. 6, the FBI raid of his Mar-a-Lago estate, his multiple criminal investigations, his civil fraud and sexual assault trials, his 34 felony convictions, and his eventual return to the campaign stage as the unified leader of a MAGA-fied Republican Party, Trump's notoriety often drowned out anything Biden did from the Oval Office. Ironically, by losing the election in 2020, and being forced to serve nonconsecutive terms, the Trump Era has an extended shelf life beyond even the most influential two-term presidents. In comparison, Biden will be all but forgotten.

    It didn't have to be this way. Biden won the 2020 Democratic nomination on a promise to return the country to normalcy, decency, even boringness. His bland, folksy, middle-of-the-road approach was exactly what we needed at a time when a deadly pandemic ripped through the world while Trump mused about injecting bleach to disinfect our veins. And given grave concerns over Biden's age, democratic voters demanded and Biden all but promised to serve as a one-term standard bearer, a transitional figure to, in his own words, serve "as a bridge, not as anything else. There's an entire generation of [Democratic] leaders" who are "the future of this country." Given the historic public health crisis and presidential chaos of 2020, punctuated by the Jan. 6 attempt to violently overthrow an election, Biden's steady hand as a transitional figure to wipe away COVID-19 and Trump would itself have been transformative. History might have viewed him as among the most consequential one-term presidents as a result.

    This very well could have been Biden's legacy. Had he kept his implied promise not to seek reelection, a true robust democratic primary could have played out among a dozen or more promising candidates. The number of possible nominees from governor's mansions, the Senate chambers, and within the Biden administration would have ensured a rough and tumble primary season. But that's a good thing. Democrats succeed when candidates have time to introduce themselves to the country, refine their arguments in debates, and respond to voters during the primary season. Barack Obama and Biden himself were beneficiaries of such primaries. When Democrats coronate a standard bearer, as with Hillary Clinton in 2016, or Kamala Harris in 2024, they remain more distant from the pulse of voters they need to win over.

    Perhaps it wouldn't have mattered. Incumbent parties in inflationary economies tend not to fare well. But a democratic nominee not named Biden or Harris could have more deftly avoided the incumbent label and perhaps better exploited Trump's continued historic unfavorability ratings. As it stands, Biden's stubborn insistence on seeking a second term to solidify his FDR-like legacy in the face of dreadful internal polling numbers, and refusal to step aside until the eleventh hour, all but doomed his party's chances in 2024 and doomed all of us to four years of unrestrained Trump. And as a result, he likely doomed his legacy as well.
     
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  2. littledaddy99

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    His Legacy will be viewed as one of the weakest , irresponsible and so bad that he cleared the way for GOP to Presidency,House and Senate. Thank you Joe for swinging the pendulum.
     
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  3. citygator

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    He screwed up the transition of his party's leadership no doubt. Did some good things... did some things poorly. Overall it's been a strong bounce back post covid of 4 years. As mild as Biden was his opponents still dripped with venom and anger. What a bunch of weirdos.
     
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  4. citygator

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    People didnt like inflation. Bid deal. Fairly sure Trump will lead us into another bad economy... its the Republican way.
     
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  5. danmanne65

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    Bread and circuses is what our politics have devolved into.
     
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  6. gator_jo

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    Not really. He did a fairly good job.

    But the premise of the article in the OP is pretty accurate.

    Also, of course, the American electorate is so uninformed, amoral, and in fact.... deplorable.... that they would vote for a legitimate criminal based either on lies about immigration, or on their inability to understand the economy.

    Additionally, it has to be noted that he did have one of the most massive failures of a POTUS in US history; the inability or unwillingness to properly prosecute the criminal, felon, and traitor Trump. A sitting president shouldn't be allowed to try to overturn an election without so much as standing a trial, where evidence can be seen.
     
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  7. PITBOSS

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    Outstanding article. The trajectory was set when he chose Harris as his VP. did her selection really help increase turnout among black women in 2020? - she wasn’t popular. After he won, the Democratic Party didn’t have many options going into 2024. It’s tough to imagine holding a full-blown primary against a sitting president—has that ever been done? it was ultimately his decision to stay in the race, and we saw how stubborn he really was. That choice was compounded by having a historically unpopular VP, who then stepped in.
     
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  8. littledaddy99

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    Keep those glasses on. (chuckle)
     
  9. OklahomaGator

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    Nancy Pelosi should have had that conversation with Biden in 2022 and then there could have been a full blown Democratic primary. Not having a primary and the fact that only Harris could use all the campaign money that Biden had raised caused Harris to be the only candidate.
     
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  10. GatorBen

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    Disagree that an open primary would have made any difference. Unless a Dem primary spit out Joe Manchin or John Fetterman as a candidate (neither of whom had a snowball’s chance in hell of winning that primary), Biden himself would have been the best candidate but for his managing to play into the GOP’s message that he’s a confused, doddering old fool.

    Trump’s secret for winning was convincing blue-collar Americans that the Democratic Party not only doesn’t care what they think, it affirmatively views them with spite and thinks they’re ignorant for not backing the furthest left fringes of the party.

    The only reasons Trump lost in 2020 were: 1) Biden was convincing enough as an old-school union Dem to peel some of those votes back; 2) COVID fear-mongering; and 3) over-exposure of Trump (when he had a televised press conference nearly every day during COVID that wide swaths of the country actually watched because they were being told to sit at home, he did a great job of making himself look like pure chaos). Most of those factors were gone by 2024, so absent someone convincing that the Dems were for working class Americans and not wild fringe ideas (ie, a relatively socially conservative, pro-manufacturing and labor candidate) Trump was likely to win again - and that kind of candidate largely doesn’t exist in a form that could have any shot in a Dem primary.
     
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  11. G8trGr8t

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    the pendulum swung on misinformation. people thinking the economy is so bad, yet this thanksgiving will set records for travel and stores are full and unemployment is low. misinformation, feelings in lieu of facts and realities, is what a large part of this country voted on. the surest threat to a democracy is a misinformed electorate.
     
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  12. G8trGr8t

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    any dem that could have separated themselves from Biden and the perception that they were responsible for inflation could have beat djt. people didn't vote for djt, they voted against inflation and open borders.

    misinformation/feelings case in point. 1 16 point swing in the view of pubs on the economy in one month. these types of misinformed, bias feelings are way too common and drive voting decisions

    spock was right. emotions will be the downfall of the human race

    Lots of Republicans suddenly think the economy wasn’t that bad after all

    But suddenly, over the last month, that’s shifted. You can see it at the very far right of the graph above, that downward shift in “worse off financially” and the upward shift in “about the same.” Among Democrats, views of how they fare now relative to a year ago haven’t changed much in the past month. Among Republicans, though, there’s been a 16-point drop in the percentage saying that they were doing worse a year ago.
     
  13. PITBOSS

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    Trump won, but it’s not accurate to say Harris would have been the same as any other Democratic candidate. Harris had historically low approval ratings as vp and Democrats weren’t enthusiastic about her. As discussed in the op, she was forced on the party. Even in the 2020 dem primary, she performed poorly. That lack of support became evident on Election Day in 2024.
     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    not sure I agree on the word deplorable

    sadly, as much as we talk about being a moral christian nation, we are neither. a moral group of people do not elect an amoral leader in pursuit of economic gain. the US middle cares more about their pocketbooks than they do their morals. we elected someone that reflects the values that, deep down, none of us would want our father, son, husband, brother to be. our finances and self-interests are more important than any sort of respect we once had for decency and respect. having someone so unlikeable and so unrelatable to most people as Kamala didn't help. I like to say our elections use to be analagous to electing the president of the debate club and now they have devolved into electing the prom king
     
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  15. citygator

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    He won by a little over a percent. People have short memories and hate whoever is in power. Thus Hilary the default incumbent lost, then Trump the incumbent loss, then Harris the default incumbent lost… probably JD or whoever will lose in the next one.
     
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  16. G8trGr8t

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    boggles my mind over how 250k votes become some insurmountable mandate by the people to change the world. he didn't even get 50% of the total vote on the last numbers I saw. More than 50% of the voters didn't vote for him. that isn't a mandate

    2024 National Popular Vote Tracker | Cook Political Report
     
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  17. dangolegators

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    Agree. He ruined his legacy by running for a second term.
     
  18. G8trGr8t

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    He chose Harris to pay back Clyburn, the man who saved his candidacy by endorsing him and helping him win SC. Clyburn has said as much.
     
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    Although the GOP did win Presidency, House and Senate, a reminder if you think that there will be permanent MAGA majority. This was published after Obama was elected in 2008 and he had large popular vote majority, a larger EC majority than Trump in 2024 and his victory was also accompanied by much larger Democratic majorities in the House and Senate than Trump and the Republicans ended up with in 2024.
    Dems talk of ‘permanent progressive majority (from 2008)’
    Also keep in mind that after George W. Bush's victory in 2004 there was talk of a permanent Republican majority. Two years later the Republicans lost both the House and Senate.
     
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  20. OklahomaGator

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    The pendulum will swing in both directions at some point.
     
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