War in Ukraine

Yes, you have tried pointing out a great many things indeed. You tried pointing out that Trump had no chance of winning many times and I pointed out to you each time that you were wrong. Trump is going to end American military involvement in Ukraine and quickly. He would not have chosen JD Vance, Tulsi and RFK if he had any designs on escalating this war further. It's laughable that you think the so-called powers that be, the same ones who are quaking in their boots right now at this election result and tried oooohhh so hard to see that said election result didn't happen are going to stop Trump from exercising his authority as CIC and ending the American involvement there. You can keep predicting it, but like the election, you're going to be wrong.

You are just going to have to let go of the dream. This war has been a stalemate with a slight advantage to Russia in territory gain for two years. A deal is long overdue and is going to be made.

 

You're just talking noise into the wind at this point. It's over. Parroting war hawk narratives and ignoring fact is how you wind up having viewpoints like "Trump has lost the swing voter."

 

My guess would be Ukraine loss of life is roughly 8X greater than Russian loss of life.

 

Yes, we’ve all made predictions that have not come true. That’s the game with predictions. But when you’re wrong, you’re wrong. And I was wrong about Trump in regard to the election. I do seem to recall, though, that Russia was going to have taken Odessa and Kharkiv by now. Oh, and that Ukraine would hold its piece of Kursk Oblast for no greater than two months. So none of us has a crystal ball, do we?

 

People can laugh about this but we know through history how major wars can start when people never expected it to get to that point.

 

I would argue Western Ukraines continuous shelling of pro-Russia eastern Ukraine since 2014 made Russia finally roll in. Well that and our CIAs actions and all the joining NATO talk.

 

Russia did indeed start this war- I just do not think it is our war to fight

 

Neither do I, but we aren’t fighting it. We are just giving mostly obsolete weapons to the defending nation.

 

Some predictions are bolder than others. It is not a bold prediction to say Trump is going to end this war quickly. With that said, I believe we should be discussing how bush league it was for the Biden camp to green light an escalation that he was too afraid of approving before Trump's victory. Now that Biden/Harris will no longer be around to sort out the mess, he does this. Anything to make Trump's job harder....

 

This line of reasoning is basically how Vietnam started.

 

The weapons aren't working. We've sent them over $100 billion and Russia has been slowly gaining ground day by day. Eventually Ukraine is going to break and then you'll have another Iraq situation where we spent a s-ton of money and have nothing to show for it. Sending Ukraine our leftovers and scrap heap items is not a solid strategy in defeating the 2nd largest army in the world, who just happens to have the largest collection of nukes.

In terms of "aid from other countries", yeah, good luck with that....

 

Trump would be an expert on that. Undermining the Afghan government by negotiating with the Taliban, a terrorist organization, without involving the Afghani government. Negotiating the release of 5,000 enemy combatant prisoners including senior strategists. Negotiating to leave Afghanistan and then drawing down the US military presence to an unsustainable level literally 5 days before Biden took office?

 

Yeah, sorry buddy, but that is not quite the same as escalating a war with a country that has the world’s largest stockpile of nuclear warheads as you are leaving office. Nice try though, buddy. Everybody give him a warm round of applause for trying so hard.

 

You need to have a good excuse ready for "Who knew wars could be so complicated?" I'm just letting you know ahead of time, because that is something that Trump tends to say when he finally realizes that he's out of his league on an issue.

 

it was announced as a mid range missile and not a ballistic missile but until they look at the pieces and parts all we have to go on is russian word that it wasn't a ballistic missile

 

Putin is clearly bluffing. He knows he can't compete with the U.S. in almost any kind of war--conventional, nuclear, naval, air force, etc. He can probably cause a lot of destruction if he initiates a nuclear war, but Russia would cease to exist as a nation at that point, and Putin wouldn't survive it. Putin would have to be at the point where he has nothing to lose before he pushes that button, and he clearly has a lot to lose. He lives like a king while he is in charge of the largest country on earth.

 

You are the great prognosticator, I must say. I am even more confident in Trump wrapping this up quickly.

 

Your foolish line of reasoning is exactly how WWII started. Which war cost the lives of more Americans? Hmmm, we lost 57k in Vietnam, and over 400k in WWII. By my calculation, your line of reasoning is about seven times more foolish than the alternative.