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DOGE: Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy to lead

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Nov 12, 2024.

  1. gator95

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    LOL, what has the Dem party become? I agree the R's definitely don't seem serious about tackling the deficit. We need to make hard choices and need cuts across the board. Yes, even defense. And yes, raising taxes on the upper class will be needed.
     
  2. VAg8r1

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    Kind of like the way Trump will be doing for the US government what he did for Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts.
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    I would add that by his own metrics he was probably very successful considering that he paid himself between $40 million and $80 million in total compensation while he managed the company into bankruptcy and was screwing his creditors and shareholders.
     
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  3. gator95

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    I didn't read past the obviously biased article that was complete BS. Not my problem that they made up shit, that's a you problem for posting it. Great job swinging and missing again! You are on an epic hot streak Sport!
     
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  4. gator95

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    I'll take Wildly Off Topic for $2,000 Please Alex.
     
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  5. mdgator05

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    LOL! I didn't read the article (including the part before they brough up Neuland when they mentioned the boycott)! I only chose a random paragraph out of the middle! So take that! Must protect Elon!
     
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  6. gator95

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    Take issue with the poster who posted that garbage article. Oh wait, was that you? Don't be upset when you post obvious lies.
     
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  7. mdgator05

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    LOL! What was the lie? That he only called for somebody to be charged with unspecified war crimes because somebody posted a video of her criticizing him instead of...a non-existent law against criticizing him? And also threatened prosecution for boycotting his website, which you claim you didn't see despite it happening earlier in the article! (translation, you lied).

    So you have gone from "Elon Musk is keeping people out of prison!" to "Elon Musk only wants to charge people who are mean to him with unspecified crime!"

    Classic!
     
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  8. citygator

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  10. slocala

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    Some new details from Vivek and Elon. The Op Ed in the WSJ is a short read laying out a fundamental case that the President’s powers have been overreach and that Congress and the Courts have appropriately reduced Presidential powers. Their ideas are radical in some ways and common sense in other ways. They will cause a significant amount of pain and long term impact. This leaves a lot of potential for everyday Americans to have a crap shoot well after the next 4 years. Congress will have to hire lots of experts and the Judiciary lacks many of the experts post Looper Bright.
    • Regulatory recession. They imply they will use AI and external legal experts to comb through Congressional intent and identify overreach by suspending Regulations. Their thesis is that elimination of such Regulations would not be easily re-implemented absent direct Congressional authorization.
    • Reduce government workforce. Their thesis is that an across the board cut of head count is not political, and therefore not political retribution. This is sort of what Vivek floated as an odd / even on SSN as a workforce reduction factor. The big item in there is “transition to private sector”. That is about outsourcing the administrative state to a government contractor model and inserting profit motive to achieve goals.
    • Cost Savings through suspension of programs by shows by Congress never authorized such expenditures. This one is interesting because they specifically noted that they see the Pentagon as being bloated and unaware of what is in their contracts with private organizations. Likely they will have some serious pushback from the Pentagon.



    “We are assisting the Trump transition team to identify and hire a lean team of small-government crusaders, including some of the sharpest technical and legal minds in America. This team will work in the new administration closely with the White House Office of Management and Budget. The two of us will advise DOGE at every step to pursue three major kinds of reform: regulatory rescissions, administrative reductions and cost savings. We will focus particularly on driving change through executive action based on existing legislation rather than by passing new laws. Our North Star for reform will be the U.S. Constitution, with a focus on two critical Supreme Court rulings issued during President Biden’s tenure.”

    “A drastic reduction in federal regulations provides sound industrial logic for mass head-count reductions across the federal bureaucracy. DOGE intends to work with embedded appointees in agencies to identify the minimum number of employees required at an agency for it to perform its constitutionally permissible and statutorily mandated functions. The number of federal employees to cut should be at least proportionate to the number of federal regulations that are nullified: Not only are fewer employees required to enforce fewer regulations, but the agency would produce fewer regulations once its scope of authority is properly limited. Employees whose positions are eliminated deserve to be treated with respect, and DOGE’s goal is to help support their transition into the private sector. The president can use existing laws to give them incentives for early retirement and to make voluntary severance payments to facilitate a graceful exit.”

    “Finally, we are focused on delivering cost savings for taxpayers. Skeptics question how much federal spending DOGE can tame through executive action alone. They point to the 1974 Impoundment Control Act, which stops the president from ceasing expenditures authorized by Congress. Mr. Trump has previously suggested this statute is unconstitutional, and we believe the current Supreme Court would likely side with him on this question. But even without relying on that view, DOGE will help end federal overspending by taking aim at the $500 billion plus in annual federal expenditures that are unauthorized by Congress or being used in ways that Congress never intended, from $535 million a year to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and $1.5 billion for grants to international organizations to nearly $300 million to progressive groups like Planned Parenthood.”


    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/musk-an...1c020?st=WGF6E7&reflink=article_copyURL_share
     
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  11. WC53

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    So a private government rather than an elected one.
     
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  12. slocala

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    Agree. It’s all from the POV you hold. If you are a citizen seeking services, there will be a reduction in quality because standards become slippery if the contractor cuts corners to make a profit.

    There will be a have and have nots for states. States will have to grow their own “administrative state”. So, we will have 50x the inefficiency in some areas.
     
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  13. citygator

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    The budget is set by congress. Cant wait to watch this fight. They already said they are not giving up their power to approve appointments. Trump is effectively now is somewhat of a lame duck so congress is likely to play a longer game with him over power. We will see.
     
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  14. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Better than a woke, libbie cesspool.
    You gals are still trying to make Too Hot a libbie stank hole.
    Please stop.
     
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  15. Orange_and_Bluke

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  16. VAg8r1

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    Definition of "libbie sank hole". A forum with a number of posters whose opinions are to the left of yours and with whom you disagree.
     
  17. Orange_and_Bluke

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    FAR left my brutha.
     
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  18. citygator

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    Why even engage with posters who simply name call and add zero to debate?
     
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  19. Orange_and_Bluke

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    That’s right.
    Only interact with the democrats.
    Don’t forget to high five each other again.
     
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  20. Gatorrick22

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    If they don't like the action or possible outcome, they will attempt to verbally "kill" the messenger. You know how they roll.