Trump Bible grift update: Leader is in running for Education Secretary

He taught several different classes and was affiliated with the Vet School.
I liked and respected the guy quite a bit - he walked the walk of his faith and I had him in the field with me a few times but i could not have been his grad student given the Bible study expectation/demand.

 

If you are asking if a Math teacher should be quoting Mark 2:13 to her students during a class where she is being paid to teach Math, the answer is no. She should be teaching Math and the Bible itself would tell her such.

Outside of that, even on school property, if not taking time from her paid duties, she has her constitutional right to have her free exercise of religion and her full freedom of speech.

 

No. Many students cant get individual transportation to a house, but are already at school. (Like football practice) Why create an undue burden on those people? What constitutional ground makes your statement even remotely ok?

Outside of the teaching contract requirements a publicly funded property is completely open to free exercise of religious expression. (Thus why so many public schools actually host churches on Sunday). A teacher has every legal right to hold a Bible study on government land. They just don't have the right to use their paid time to do it, if their paid time requires that they teach Science or History. If a district allows such things during paid time then the teacher has that right as well as long as it is completely voluntary and isnt part of the curriculum.

 

Seems like that would be pretty blatantly unconstitutional to require (and even if he didn’t require it, if he discriminated grades on that basis it would violate those students civil rights).

Hard to believe that could occur at a public university. Maybe some super obscure class or something related to religious studies. But Vet school?

 

No, he never would have done this.

But when critics of higher education go on and on about indoctrination at universities, they probably don’t think of this situation.

 

You non- believers are certainly free to believe what ever you want

But let me ask you a question.

I believe that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for the absolution of sins and that He is the only way to Heaven. If I am wrong, what has it cost me?

However, if you are wrong, what has it cost you?

 

Don't you really have to also get belief in the Hindu pantheon of 30 million+ gods, and all the concomitant tenets of Hinduism?

If I'm wrong on that, it won't have cost you anything.

But if you're wrong on that one........hoooooooooooooo boooooooy !!!

 

there is only ONE God Jo

 

My bad.

 

But what if you are wrong? Does Zeus strike you down then?

Religion shouldn't be interpreted as a form of risk mitigation.

 

I absolutely mean no disrespect but you asked the question. My parents, brother and sister were/are devout in their faith and it is /was the reason they are/were such good and charitable people but since you ask: It means you believe in magic (you call miracles)- that virgins can give birth, that dead men can come back to life, or that gods can bleed and get angry. that the man you worship can instruct his disciples that the kingdom of God on earth will be established in their lifetime (still waiting) but they are all long dead and no Kingdom of God. In short - delusions. Comforting delusions and delusions that are overall probably net positive - but delusions nonetheless.
Jesus was a real man - a itinerant preacher (likely illiterate as his family could not afford an education) in the backwaters of the world with an apoplectic message that appealed to the poor and downtrodden. His message (a good one) was amplified and exaggerated by the writers of the Bible as they competed for adherents with other religions and versions of Judaism.
You asked.

 

That’s a terrible reason to be honest. Belief is something you either have, or you do not. Nobody should feign belief in religion “just in case” they are wrong and think faking it is a ticket to heaven. This idea requires one to believe that god is both simultaneously omnipotent AND a sucker unable to see through this false and selfish motive? Ha!

The entire construct of heaven and hell is so nonsensical it’s mind boggling anyone believes in it. I’m not “worried about being wrong” because the entire construct of heaven and hell I view as nonsense.

Similar to this “but what if you are wrong” logical fallacy, I get a kick out of all the Christian extremist trolls on the internet, or the sick rotten people of certain churches that used to picket funerals or that preach their own hate ideology, or those that as it turns out are perverts. They think their omnipotent god doesn’t see their activities or read the internet!? Puhleaze. Even under their own deranged construct, almost every American Christian has a one way ticket straight to hell based on how they lived their lives. So I guess if I’m “wrong” I’ll have lots of company.

 

Us non-believers have more faith than you do. We're not wrong. Don't need to hedge our bets the way you clearly are.

 

I'm not sure I understand your response to my statement. I'm talking about taking time spent teaching reading, writing and arithmetic, and lessening that time to impose bible study on the students. You can be christian and understand not everyone wants that. Only teach the three R's???
And what is this football practice analogy? If they want to have a bible club, which I believe they do, no one is saying they can't. The same people though fight to keep the gay straight alliance clubs from their freedom of being able to assemble.

 

It is called Faith but like I said if I am wrong it costs me nothing
if you are wrong it will cost you everything

 

Ha, you don’t know if you’re right either.
Nobody does.
You’re no better.

 

The notion that Christianity costs nothing seems pretty antithetical to the notion of Christianity.

 

so muslim's can hold prayer services and satanists can hold animal sacrifices and rasta can burn the house down?? all religions right? or only ones whose practices are approved of...

 

well if you lived a truly christian lifestyle, it cost you a lot of pleasure to begin with, diversity of experiences to follow, and likely a great deal of wealth because you gave so much of it to the church. If you are telling us you didn't sacrifice anything by only having sex with one woman in your lifetime, well. I would like to meet that woman. Not sure that just believing something w without the requisite lifestyle really counts but there's always that last minute repent to rely on