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Recess Appointments

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Nov 10, 2024 at 6:12 PM.

  1. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    As a former President once said: "Elections have consequences."
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    Yep, in this case, the consequence is to substantially weaken checks-and-balances.
     
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  3. dangolegators

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    They sure do. And a consequence of this one is going to be a cesspool of bureaucratic incompetence and corruption when Trump gets all his people installed without any vetting.
     
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  4. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    like rewriting historical norms to facilitate a specific political agenda with nop respect for minority rights? 50% +1 makes all the rules? no respect or need for checks and balances or public input?
     
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  5. G8trGr8t

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    weaken, hell they are being obliterated before our eyes and then we will wake up and wonder why nobody did anything
     
  6. G8trGr8t

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    now telling the senate to block any pending Biden appointments until after the election

    what happened to separation of powers if the executive branch can tell the legislative branch what to do and the judicial branch remains silent?

    Trump Tells GOP to Bypass Senate Confirmation Process, Block Biden Judicial Appointments

    Despite enjoying a 53-47 majority in the next Senate, Donald Trump called for any Republican senator seeking the position of majority leader to agree to make recess appointments during his administration, bypassing the traditional confirmation process. He also told his party to block any lame-duck judicial appointments the Biden administration tries to push through.

    "Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner… We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY!" Trump posted on X, signaling his intent to once again govern via social media. "Additionally, no Judges should be approved during this period of time because the Democrats are looking to ram through their Judges as the Republicans fight over Leadership. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU!"

    "Republicans are going to have a 53-47 majority in the Senate, and yet here's Trump urging the Senate to go into recess so that he can bypass it altogether," Georgetown University Law Professor Steve Vladeck posted on X, reacting to Trump's declaration. "In other words, he wants to install folks who couldn't even get through that Senate."
     
  7. FutureGatorMom

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    Like the republicans did with Merrick Garland, the appointee for Obama SCOTUS? You can't wait two weeks to follow our system of checks and balances?

    Is anyone not now seeing the detriment of electing a "businessman" as president? What kind of government does a corporation have, if you were to assign one to it?
     
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  8. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator Premium Member VIP Member

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    isn't that the way it works when a dem is President and the dems control the Senate
     
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  9. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator Premium Member VIP Member

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    Trump has been very upfront that he does not support the 2025 project and you know it
    The Presidential Cabinet is appointed and it is HIS choice who he picks. y'all need to get off the dictatorship crap
     
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  10. mrhansduck

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    Trump was apparently critical of parts of it, though it is a voluminous document and I'm not sure if Trump identified which parts he likes versus does not like. Perhaps Bannon and Walsh are just trolling but if not, they seem to think it is a core agenda item.

    MAGA says Project 2025 'is the agenda'

    Project 2025 is actually "the agenda," a prominent MAGA figure has said, despite Donald Trump repeatedly denying any connection with it during the election campaign.

    And ex-Trump adviser Steve Bannon has strongly endorsed the comment by conservative political commentator Matt Walsh, who said on X, formerly Twitter: "Now that the election is over I think we can finally say that yeah actually Project 2025 is the agenda." Walsh's post had 5.9 million views and 6,800 reposts.

    Project 2025, a manifesto which was created by the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation for the next Republican president, has been strongly criticized by many across the political spectrum including Trump himself for some of its proposals which include an overhaul of federal government and federal policies that target the use of abortion pills.

    Trump has said he has no associations with it multiple times, calling some of the ideas "absolutely ridiculous and abysmal" in July, but Democrats have pushed back on this, saying many of the President-elect's former aides are leading the project.
     
  11. WarDamnGator

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    Since Trump is — and always has been — a firehose of lies and nonsense, I’ll believe he’s not following the project 2025 playbook when I see it. Trump always refuses to give specifics and details on his proposed policies because he’s either afraid it will be seen as unpopular and used against him, or he’s too dumb to understand them, or both…
     
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  12. dangolegators

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    Well I don't recall an incoming Dem president telling prospective Dem senate majority leaders to circumvent the intent of the Constitution by promising to allow recess appointments by putting the Senate in recess. But maybe you can find a link where that has happened from a Dem president.
     
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  13. swampbabe

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    Isn’t Trumps name in it over 300 times? Hell, JD Vance wrote the forward. P. T. Barnum was right a million times over. LOL
     
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  14. GatorBen

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    It’s not really a “historical norm” - pro forma sessions to try to keep the Senate from ever going into recess are largely a very recent (ie-post 2000) phenomenon.

    Harry Reid started doing them every four days in 2007-08 to keep W. from making recess judicial appointments during the last two years of his term because the tradition was that presidents wouldn’t make recess appointments during brief (sub-10 day) recesses.

    Boehner then refused to let the House consent to the Senate recessing for longer than three days under Obama to return the favor, but Obama tried to appoint people between the pro forma sessions. Those attempted Obama appointments got you the court opinion on recess appointments (that they can happen during intra-session recesses, but pro forma sessions do suffice to keep Congress in session).

    All in all, this seems to be a big kerfuffle over nothing - typically when you see pro forma sessions to block recess appointments is when at least one chamber is held by a different party than the president. With the House, Senate, and White House all being Republican, I wouldn’t have expected to see pro forma sessions in the first place.
     
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  15. G8trGr8t

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    has any potus ever demanded that senate agree to go in recess to let them make appointments

    you also seem to discount that this potus is more extreme and surrounded by extremist sycophants than any potus in memory, by a wide margin

    or the 300 + indictments assoiciated with his last administration

    or the myriad of laws he has been convicted of breaking in the past

    yeah, let's just trust him..come on man..you want my pilow guy in charge of the treasury and rudy running the fbi, bannon at the UN? reality would be worse as he has competent zealots waiting to pursue an extreme agenda across all departments
     
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  16. dangolegators

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    I'm not sure you understand the issue. Trump's demanding recess appointments, not pro forma sessions to prevent recess appointments.
     
  17. OklahomaGator

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    So using recess appointments is okay when the opposition party is in control of the Senate? Think about what you are saying here, you can use recess appointments when you know the Senate won't confirm your pick but you can't use recess appointments when you know they will confirmed down the road by the Senate? That is backwards thinking there.

    Did you speak out against Obama when he made 32 recess appointments?
     
  18. dangolegators

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    Repubs control the senate. It's up to them to approve Trump's nominations. Why would they need to intentionally do recess appointments? And why would Trump be demanding it?
     
  19. GatorBen

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    The only thing that keeps recess appointments from being regularly possible are pro forma sessions - without them, the senate goes into recess anytime it breaks for more than 10 days. Clinton and W. both made hundreds of recess appointments, they’ve just become less common recently. And that’s because, since Reid started holding pro forma sessions at the end of W.’s second term to block recess judicial appointments, pro forma sessions have been used essentially any time the House and Senate are split (because a recess of longer than three days requires the concurrence of the other house).

    My point was there’s no reason why a party would be holding pro forma sessions to block recess appointments by a president of their own party in the first place, so it’s a largely meaningless demand here.
     
  20. OklahomaGator

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    So they could immediately get to work, instead of waiting for the Senate to approve them. The opposing party can use the rules to delay the votes on approval of nominees.
     
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