Generating hate

This board today is like nursery school ramblings compared to its earliest days. Fortunately the most strident of those posters have moved on to their safe space where they can pontificate about murdering Democrats to their heart's content.

Regarding national political violence, anyone notice that Trump has shifted from his traditional red/white MAGA gear to the black/yellow color scheme of the Proud Boys as Election Day nears?

 

At least a tad, inescapably ironic--that a post intended to call us all out for our exaggerated intensity in our political discourse, would end with the very same note it sought to admonish.

Or is it cleverly apropos?

 

That was hardly the earliest of days on here--that wouldbe the earliest days of Trump, not TH--and their discourse wasn't nearly that bad.

Maybe it is in their new safe space, but it's all behind a paywall now, unless you're paying, you're just conjecture.

 

I'm primarily talking about the last days of Clinton before some board rules were put in place here. A lot of those same posters could tolerate this place because Bush was in charge for 8 years. After that, they became deranged.

 

Yes, but not necessarily, in so much as we are *more* than we are ITRW, in order to further specific points--but they're (presumably) still very much us, or consistent with our actual views.

Where reality and exaggeration part however, is in the degree of our commitment to certain causes--on here (and else whereol on line), we don't give a damn how our views are received by others.

ITRW however, our commitment to issues is subordinated to our valuing of peace, harmony, and civility with our neighbors, and our actual business at hand.

As well it ought, part and parcel to what is actually meant by the term "educated" (ie--why the internet has not and will not, supplant the university).

 

If this forum was face to face in a physical sense, the animosity, name calling and accusations might be toned down. The ability to hide behind an electronic veil gives many the green light for what Lacuna is talking about imo.

There are plenty of good discussions on here. Sadly some threads are hijacked by the fringes represented on here. Insert obligatory Trump/Kamala/nazi/commie/liar/stupid references to turn posts into another pissing contest. Then there’s those who are in the right or know more than others. They have no problem putting it in their faces. Intolerance is alive and well, it harkens back to the days of me and Nana trying to moderate the daily scuffles with Texigator and Shabadoo25/FredSanford.

 

Respectfully, I disagree. I think the electronic veil actually gives the greenlight for many to run from the truth.

I love discussing politics in person, particularly with people who disagree with me. It's the perfect opportunity to hold a conversation where the actual facts must be held in account. I always specify that nobody can lose their temper and we can break the conversation as needed to determine the actual facts.

In person, they can't just bug out when respectfully presented with all the accusations, admittance, and evidence of his sexual predation, for example.

A simple fact check renders moot their belief that he was great for the economy. It can mandate confronting all the lies he told about covid and, well, really just about everything.


To summarize, IMO the "electronic veil" is most harmful because it allows people to just run away from the actual facts and continue dwelling in an alternate reality.

 

Of course it does; it works both ways. IMO this is what the OP is talking about. The instant knee-jerking response and calling people liars because they have a different POV. Apparently, we have to live in a black-and-white world with no other color valid. Civil discussion went out long ago around here. Add the cheerleaders, adding fuel to the fire, and this place really can be an outhouse.

 

You have to admit, though, that there are quite a few people here repeating Trump's lies. Or attempting to further his false narratives, such as; the 2020 election was dishonest, the Biden DOJ is committing "lawfare" against Trump, or the "both sides-ing" that tries to assert that, for example, anyone in leadership on the left is anywhere remotely close to mimicking the hateful, lying vitriol we see regularly from Trump.

At some point, well, the actual facts are black and white. And there's nothing uncivil about requesting that our discourse be honest.

 

Strong words from someone full of hateful, lying vitriol.

 

Definitely- I hate crime, traitors and un-American behavior.

You should give that a try, instead of voting for it.

You should also learn the difference between the words of a private citizen on a message board and the hateful lies of a national politician addressing the country.


Edit: I don't lie though. Would be interested and amused to see you try to substantiate that.

But if I DID lie, you'd vote for me as President?

 

You just don’t ******* get it do you? This is about us, not Trump or lies or anything else. I know what Trump is. I don’t need it repeated in every damn post you type. Do you need validation or something? Are you that unsure? It seems it.

Just the vitriolic crap you spew on a regular basis and then scream liar! when you don’t like the response or POV. Its pathetic. You cant even own up to what you post.
You don’t lie? ….ya sure MiStar perfect. It’s all relevant in your little world.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to get you so fired up. You seem really upset.

 

Completely agree with this. Just like her posting this

 

This has always been about her; she loves the attention and putting herself on a pedestal

 

Sorry if I upset you today lacuna.
I literally cannot help myself.
But please don’t take politics too seriously.
These aren’t normal people we’re electing.