Law not withstanding you can treat a septic pregnant woman with no risk to the fetus. Anyone peddling that line of BS is flat out wrong. As I noted up thread not treating actually increases the risk of fetal demise. The girl was seen(likely had GBS), got septic and came back and was sent home again(big time fail).
From this evening's episode of 60 Minutes. You may want to read the transcript. Doctors say strict abortion laws in Texas put pregnant women and their physicians at serious risk Adrianne Smith – who was a resident in Texas – transferred to the University of New Mexico hospital this year. She told us one of her last cases in Texas still haunts her: a young woman who became extremely ill after she tried to end her own pregnancy with an unknown medication she bought in Mexico. Smith spoke to a supervising physician about the case. Dr. Adrianne Smith: I remember being like, "I wish that there was something more I could do for her." And he looked at me and said, "The attorney general is looking to make an example outta somebody. And you don't wanna be that case." And that was when I realized that there are people that are looking to criminalize me for that and send me to jail.
You are the one making shit up… I never said you can’t treat treat a pregnant woman with sepsis, I quoted the article… here is again …”At this point, medical staff checked for fetal viability via ultrasound twice before taking further action, a delay experts reviewing the case say was medically unwarranted.” Stick with the facts, don’t try to attribute false statement to other people you can “prove them wrong”… that’s what’s is known as a strawman…
Here’s a link to a discussion on treating sepsis in pregnancy. https://www.rcog.org.uk/media/ea1p1r4h/gtg_64a.pdf#:~:text=Administration of intravenous broad spectrum antibiotics is,broad- spectrum intravenous antibiotics may be lifesaving. There are dozens of other ones. I’ll stand by my claim that this is med mal. And no decent doctor should thinking you can’t treat a septic patient. Any one suggesting otherwise is a complete hack. I’m sure there are cases where the laws may have caused an issue. But this is not one (and if the doctor here is suggesting so is FOS). They don’t have a leg to stand on. It’s literally first year med school. And I’ll give you it seems like the Texas law is crap. But in this case it’s malpractice and negligence
Please read my quote carefully, I didn’t say you said that, I said many here are suggesting you can’t treat a pregnant woman with sepsis. Sorry if you took it that way. Perhaps I should have just made a separate post regarding that issue. I will stand by the fact it takes almost no time to check for fetal viability, it’s done simultaneously is resuscitations. It may have been unwarranted, the delay in care caused this(when she was sent home on the earlier vist.
I guess the issue won't really be resolved until a doctor is willing to risk professional martyrdom and if charged with violating the state's draconian anti-abortion law and raises that defense that he/she was practicing sound medicine and doing what she deemed appropriate to protect the life of her patient.
Maybe in some of the cases the law has been an issue(never said it wasn’t). I hope you are right ACOG has plenty of money to defend anyone and I’d find it hard for any jury to convict when dozens of expert OB/GYNs testify to that. But in the case of the septic pregnant woman there is no reason not to treat, and it’s negligent to not treat. That guy doesn’t have a leg to stand on if that’s his defense.
Ok, I responded this way because You quoted my post and started with “swing and a miss”… as if I had something wrong, when I did was point out what the article said happened…
A follow-up. If she received proper treatment earlier her condition would have never reached the point where she developed sepsis. Although you could accurately argue that a patient with sepsis represented a true emergency the state's vague draconian ant-abortion law provided a very strong disincentive to terminate the pregnancy which had absolutely no chance of resulting in the birth of a baby before she developed the sepsis which ultimately resulted in her death. .
But apparently she wasn't "the most innocent". I guess there's a distinction there somewhere but not sure what it is.
I hope they listen to you. As their bias against me has them unwilling to understand basic medicine and reading (the law is clear).
You are the one incapable of reading and analyzing. The law is clear. It says the opposite of what you want it to. Because you want to legally allow the killing of the most innocent for convenience. A truly evil position for sure. And sadly I am confident you know what you are doing at this point.
As noted with no response because the argument was BS…this has nothing to do with Texas abortion law. Sadly based on what we know. The doctors failed this mother and child! Based on what we know. Two lives were lost. And malpractice appears to be a real possibility. A real tragedy! But let’s not act like this was about the Texas Abortion Law had anything to do with it. Because it did not. It’s clear the doctors could treat the mother. And they did not even need to know if there was a heartbeat.
Explain this to the doctors, hospital lawyers, and families of the dead women who would very likely be alive had the law not changed.
Read the law! Blame the doctors if what is reported is true. I sadly don’t think you care though. You just want to legally allow the killing of the most innocent.
I don't want any part of a women's decision, unless they want me a part of it. I believe these decisions should be between the woman, her medical staff/doctors, and anyone else she wishes to include. No me. Not you. Not the government. Since Dobbs, maternal deaths have risen nationally 11%. In Texas, it's 56%! Don't tell me it's not the law, when the numbers tell a different story! How else do you explain these figures? A sudden rise in malpractice after a law change? BS. These women didn't have to die. Again, if you are so certain the law wasn't the problem, move to Texas and represent all these families in their malpractice lawsuits. And please tell every family member the law wasn't the issue, when again, women are dying at much higher rates after the law changed. Or, do you not care about these dead women and their grieving families?
