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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by VAg8r1, Nov 1, 2024 at 9:17 PM.

  1. docspor

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    sez the guy voting for the "votes > the most innocent" guy.
     
  2. AzCatFan

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    So, before the law change, women were treated successfully in these cases and survived. After, several cases of women dying. But it's not the law? It's malpractice? BS.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    You honestly don’t think their were any med mal cases in Texas before the Texas Law that has nothing to do with this mothers tragic death?
     
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  4. FutureGatorMom

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    Twice now you've, with no proof, accused me of lying. The family told the story of what happened, what the doctors told them, and the outcome.

    You just want to allow the legal killing of women because of your ignorance and possibly your desire to control women. Glad I'm not on the wrong side of history.

    Next time you post a feel good thread about your daughter's accomplishments, instead of supporting your right to do so,I'll just say a little prayer that she is never in Nivaeh Cain's position.
     
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  5. FutureGatorMom

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    I love the "It was malpractice you can just sue" when the same people were trying to do away with the same lawsuits as their way of lowering medical costs.

    Does this bring the family any kind of peace when the patient should have lived?
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    I posted you the law. The fact is the law had nothing to do with this terrible case.

    Read the law. Blame the doctors assuming it is true they sent a mother home with sepsis and failed to treat her. But don’t make up BS that this was about the Texas Law. It is clear to me you are not concerned with the facts.
     
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  7. FutureGatorMom

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    The overturning of Roe has everything to do with this situation. You have two competing laws. They error on the side of caution. They could lose their license or be imprisoned for helping her. So what if they sue, their insurance pays and they continue to practice. Doctors have been put in an impossible situation. They are leaving Alabama in droves and OBGYN departments in hospitals are shutting down.

    Your Texas governor wants to know if a pregnant woman leaves the state for medical reasons, what she did and if it was abortive care. Then they want to prosecute. If you helped her, you're open to reprocustions

    Two years ago this girl would be alive to have another child. It is a sick movement, and you're part of it.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    Law cases are public domain. Find the number of cases, during Roe, where women died because doctors refused care because of a fetus and let's compare apples to apples.
     
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  9. QGator2414

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    The law in Texas is not hard to read or understand. It is only an issue for those that want to legally kill the most innocent for convenience. It is clear and explicit that the doctors did not even need to check for the babies heartbeat to treat the mother if the reporting is accurate that she was diagnosed with sepsis as that would be a clear medical emergency.

    It is clear you want to legally allow the killing of the most innocent via abortion. But don’t make false claims. The text of the law is there for you to read. Clear and explicit. It has not changed no matter how much you want to make up excuses.
     
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  10. QGator2414

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    I figured you knew your argument was made up and you just want to legally allow the killing of the most innocent.
     
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  11. FutureGatorMom

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    Apparently you're too zealous to see through this particular situation even though the actual facts of what the abortion law imposes on doctors is obvious.

    So what about this young woman? So many doctors in the sam state making the same decison:
    Josseli Barnica Died in Texas After Waiting 40 Hours for Miscarriage Care — ProPublica

    And then there is this:
    A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban
     
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  12. AzCatFan

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    Isn't it amazing that post Dobbs, the rise in pregnancy malpractice corresponds! But it can't be the law!
     
  13. PITBOSS

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    If docs aren’t helping women because of nuisances of a law or a real fear of prosecution, and this is a recurring issue - it’s a bad law. Maybe that wasn’t the intent of the law but bottom line women are being hurt. That’s how a bad law works and changes are needed.

    Especially with an overzealous AG. Last year….

    “Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton on Thursday threatened to prosecute any doctors involved in providing an emergency abortion to a woman, hours after she won a court order allowing her to obtain one for medical necessity.”

    https://www.reuters.com/legal/texas...rgency-abortion-despite-state-ban-2023-12-07/
     
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  14. QGator2414

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    Not zealous at all. Just providing facts you can’t refute. The law is clear. And nothing in it stopped the doctors from treating the mother. In fact it clearly states they don’t even need to check for a heartbeat in a medical emergency. Sepsis would be that…
     
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  15. philnotfil

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    The Texas AG doesn't understand the law as well as you do? Interesting.
     
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  16. QGator2414

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    Stop peddling nonsense to act like the Texas AG would overstep the law. If he ever does. He should be thrown out of office. Until then. This is nothing but peddled nonsense by people like you who just want to allow the legal killing of the most innocent for convenience.

    Read the law. This is med mal if the story is true. And you know it!
     
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  17. QGator2414

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    I am pretty sure this is the old case brought up by the kill for convenience crowd on too hot. The doctor from what we know clearly never felt there was no medical emergency. Stop pushing the lies. The law allows doctors to treat mothers in emergency situations without even detecting a heartbeat.
     
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  18. PITBOSS

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    the article in the op clearly states this is a case from last year.

    An 18-year-old pregnant woman in Texas died in October of last year following delays in medical care, which her family and medical experts say may have been influenced by Texas' restrictive abortion. “



    Other cases are now coming to light (see below, recent article).
    Regardless of the debate on whether abortion should be banned in Texas, the extreme MAGA-driven laws that were passed are hurting women. Even if this wasn’t the lawmakers’ intention, these laws are directly impacting women’s health and well-being. Ignoring these consequences is an act of extremism if politicians don’t step in to support these women.




    “Emergency room doctors at Ascension Seton Williamson in Texas handed her a pamphlet on miscarriage and told her to “let nature take its course” before discharging her without treatment for her ectopic pregnancy.

    “When she returned three days later, still bleeding, doctors finally agreed to give her an injection to end the pregnancy. It was too late. The fertilized egg growing on Thurman’s fallopian tube ruptured it, destroying part of her reproductive system.”

    More than 100 pregnant women in medical distress who sought help from emergency rooms were turned away or negligently treated since 2022, an Associated Press analysis of federal hospital investigations found.“

    https://apnews.com/article/pregnant-women-emergency-room-ectopic-er-edd66276d2f6c412c988051b618fb8f9
     
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  19. QGator2414

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    Oof the same case I think it is. The doctor clearly never felt there was a medical emergency. If they did they had full reign to provide care as necessary. The law clearly states this.
     
  20. philnotfil

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    One of the cases (sad that there are multiple cases now) the doctor even got a judge to rule that the abortion was medically necessary, and the Texas AG publicly stated he would file charges against any doctor that helped the woman.

    Seems hard to make the case that the law says doctors can, when the chief law enforcement officer in the state says they can't.