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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by VAg8r1, Nov 1, 2024 at 9:17 PM.

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  1. Nov 2, 2024 at 8:27 AM #21
    QGator2414

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    You are spot on this is not about abortion!

    The Texas Law on abortion has nothing to do treating a patient that has sepsis. Nothing!
     
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  2. Nov 2, 2024 at 9:49 AM #22
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    The fetus had a heartbeat. Treating the woman's sepsis would have highly likely caused the fetal heartbeat to stop; or otherwise known as an abortion. Under Texas law, as long as there is a fetal heartbeat, doctors cannot do anything that will cause said heartbeat to stop.

    Ergo, doctors could not treat the woman's sepsis until the heartbeat stopped on its own. But by waiting until this occurred, the sepsis became too severe and killed the woman's life.

    What part of this do you refuse to accept and understand? And I ask again, who was saved in this case?
     
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  3. Nov 2, 2024 at 10:09 AM #23
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    The Texas law is a vaguely written "heartbeat law". There is always the possibility that an overly aggressive prosecutor could charge a doctor who terminates a pregnancy if the fetus has a heartbeat or any other indicator that it is still alive with violating the statute even if there is virtually no chance of survival. The Texas case bears a remarkable resemblance to similar case in "prolife" Ireland 12 years ago.
    Death of Savita Halappanavar
    On 21 October 2012, Halappanavar, then 17 weeks pregnant, was examined at University Hospital Galway after complaining of back pain, but was soon discharged without a diagnosis. She returned to the hospital later that day, this time complaining of lower pressure, a sensation she described as feeling "something coming down", and a subsequent examination found that the gestational sac was protruding from her body. She was admitted to hospital, as it was determined that miscarriage was unavoidable, and several hours later, just after midnight on 22 October, her water broke but did not expel the fetus.[8]: 22–26 [8]: 29 [9] The following day, on 23 October, Halappanavar discussed abortion with her consulting physician but her request was promptly refused, as Irish law at that time forbade abortion if a foetal heartbeat was still present, with her midwife furthermore stating that "Ireland is a Catholic country".[8]: 33 [10] Afterwards, Halappanavar developed sepsis and, despite doctors' efforts to treat her, had a cardiac arrest at 1:09 AM on 28 October, and died, aged 31.[8]: 53 [8]: 44–46 ​
     
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  4. Nov 2, 2024 at 10:14 AM #24
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    No, she was pregnant, there was still a heartbeat so they couldn't treat her for the sepsis.
     
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  5. Nov 2, 2024 at 10:16 AM #25
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    What part of the fetus had a heart beat and they couldn't treat her because of TEXAS LAW is confusing you?
     
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  6. Nov 2, 2024 at 10:47 AM #26
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    Especially given that the Texas AG has gone out of his way to publicly announce that he would do so.
     
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  7. Nov 2, 2024 at 11:12 AM #27
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  8. Nov 2, 2024 at 11:29 AM #28
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    Pro-life when it comes to the womb, but once out, they make no effort via legislation to help those who may need the extra assistance to support the child, make no effort to curb the needless gun violence in schools while proudly wearing their AR-15 lapel pins, and allow the women with non-viable pregnancies to carry to term, many times resulting in death or permanent long term harm to the mother.
     
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  9. Nov 2, 2024 at 3:35 PM #29
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    This is factual BS! You literally just want to legally kill babies I guess. Disgusting you would post something so wrong to support the legal killing of the most innocent.

    Read the law before you lie like this…

    171.205 discusses exactly a medical emergency. And sepsis would absolutely be a medical emergency. There was no need to even try and detect a heartbeat based on the bill to treat the mother. The exception is right there. The only people making this about abortion are the people who want to kill for convenience.

    https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf/SB00008F.pdf
     
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  10. Nov 2, 2024 at 3:38 PM #30
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    Then explain why the woman in the OP and others in Texas in similar situations died!
     
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  11. Nov 2, 2024 at 3:41 PM #31
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    Read the law!!!!

    171.205 defines the doctors did not even need to check for a heartbeat if it was a medical emergency. Sepsis is absolutely a medical emergency. Stop trying to make this about something it is not so you can get your legal killing for convenience.
     
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  12. Nov 2, 2024 at 3:43 PM #32
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    Read the law. Section 171.205 provided every bit of protection a doctor needed to treat this mother. This was malpractice in treatment and has nothing to do with the abortion law. The exception is written plenty clear. They did not even need to test for a heartbeat as sepsis is absolutely a medical emergency.
     
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  13. Nov 2, 2024 at 3:44 PM #33
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    Stop lying! Read the law. I posted it a few posts ago and provided you the section. The doctors did not even need to check for a heartbeat. Sepsis is an absolute medical emergency.
     
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  14. Nov 2, 2024 at 4:09 PM #34
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    Try and stop with the hemotion ok? I provided the link to the report. Is the family lying? Doctors don't want to act because the damn laws are vague. Your SCOTUS is making sweeping changes for the christian nationalist and women are DYING. Oh an by the way, the right also has, and in lots of states cap how much you can sue a doctor for, so whoo hoo to that malpractice thing you speak of I'm sure it brings her family tons of peace.
     
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  16. Nov 2, 2024 at 6:40 PM #36
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    Then why have multiple women died?!?
     
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  17. Nov 2, 2024 at 6:47 PM #37
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    Because they believed forum posters instead of reading the law for themselves?
     
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  18. Nov 2, 2024 at 8:29 PM #38
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    Nothing to do with the law for sure. Med mal is a real thing.
     
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  19. Nov 2, 2024 at 8:30 PM #39
    QGator2414

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    Pure Stupidity…

    But when you want to legally allow the killing of the most innocent. Sadly fits.

    Read the Law!
     
  20. Nov 2, 2024 at 8:34 PM #40
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    You just want to allow the legal killing of the most innocent for convenience. At least that is clear if you want to use this case as an example which has nothing to do with the Texas abortion law.

    We certainly disagree on the evil of abortion. But lying and using cases that have nothing to do with the law in Texas to push the legal killing of the most innocent speaks for itself. Glad I will not have to answer for that…:cool:
     
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