Will Conservatism Recover?

I define 'conservative' as running the ball into the line of scrimmage twice, throwing an incompletion on third down, and punting.

 

Since when is murder a right? It's also a STATE'S RIGHTS ISSUE... NOT a federal issue.

 

I know it makes you feel better not to call it a child.

Even Ginsburg knew that R v W was faulty.

Men can't legally kill their children....why should women?

You're welcome to your opinion and I'm not totally against the abortion option but it does kill babies.

 

The interesting argument about abortion is if the mom decides on her own to terminate via a pill, she’s choosing body autonomy, if the dad decides on his own to terminate and slips her the exact same pill, a pill that does no harm to the mother, he goes to prison.

 

Nope. No abortions are “killing babies”. Nobody is in favor of “killing babies”. Except you, apparently, who think abortions are “killing babies” but yet are not totally against that option. Weird.

Terminology matters.

Case in point, the definition of a baby.

Baby
a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.


One of the requirements of being a “baby” is being born. Obviously there is a moral question as to when a developing fetus becomes a sentient, separate being. This is what Roe vs. Wade attempted to navigate by putting rules in place on late term abortion. Most people accept those reasonable Roe restrictions, because from a moral perspective many would consider it to be like or adjacent to killing a baby for a woman to abort in the 3rd trimester. But when people want to equate all abortion in earlier phases as “baby murder” or ban things like morning after pills and contraceptives, that’s just their extremist ideology paired with a heavy dose of dishonesty (lies).

 

Do you think “date rape pills” should be legal?

Obviously the key issue there is slipping somebody a pill. Not sure I’d equate a man doing that to murder, but it would be seriously f’ed up and criminal.

You seem to be spiraling down towards Orlando levels of woman hating “logic”.

 

Well since you aren’t using words correctly you are having a problem. It’s life of the fetus not child.

 

I've lived many decades. I know what a baby is.

But I totally understand pro-abortion people wanting to use alternative wording. Killing babies is a bad look.

 

I understand. If I favored killing puppies, I'd want to call them something other than puppies.

 

No idea what Orlando woman hating you are talking about. Interesting choice. Your choice of date rape was purposely prejudicial…but anyway….Giving someone a date rape drug without the date rape is minor offense. Is a guy going to prison for giving a woman NyQuil or extra strength Benadryl? Not likely. Is a man going to prison for giving a pregnant woman the abortion pill, A pill we are told does zero harm to a woman, is he going to prison? He sure is. Why? He’s just making his choice…. I can put it another way. 2 separate courtrooms. Next to each other. Same judge. One defendant on trial for putting NyQuil on wife’s coffee. In 2nd courtroom, dependent on trial for putting abortion pill in her coffee. Which one gets the stiffer sentence and why? It’s not a baby. It’s an embryo and embryos aren’t babies and the pill is less harmful on the woman than nyquil (thats what we are told )

 

So you are calling something what it isn’t, because it sounds better. Propaganda much?

 

Putting anything surreptitiously in someone’s drink is a monstrous thing to do.

 

You clearly don't know what it is so try back in another couple decades.

 

Well there are lots of people (that aren’t garbage) out there that believe terminating a life by putting forceps into its skull and giving the baby a shot to stop its heart is pretty monstrous

Abortion Types and Costs

from WebMD

The main difference is that in addition to using a vacuum suction in your uterus, they’ll also use forceps and other medical tools, including one called a curette to scrape the inside of your uterus. Your doctor may use ultrasound to guide them, and will likely use a suction or vacuum to make sure everything is cleared out. Some providers may use a medication, which you would get as a shot into your abdomen, to stop the fetal heartbeat before the procedure. Afterward, your provider may give you a medication to contract your uterus and reduce bleeding.

 

Why does any reasonable discussion here get derailed into the endlessly circular and tiring abortion talk on repeat?

We should just have a pinned abortion thread and any tangents like these get thrown in that thread.

I swear it's like moths to the flame for so many.

 

I don't know how you can ask "can it recover" when there are two conservative parties contesting an election. Recover from what? Overwhelming success?

 

Rule #13: The answer to any OP started as a question is always accurately answered "NO". [Checks headline] Yep. Holds up.

• There really is no conservative ideology.
• Small government is a code word for "big government ideas WE like".
• Fiscal responsibility is code word for "less tax burden for the rich"
• Personal liberty is code word for "everybody has the liberties we approve"
• There is no conservative ideology.

 

I agree I would prefer no woman to get pregnant when she doesn’t want to. When she does it’s her choice what to do. You continually use worse case horror shows as your example. Are you intentionally lieing because you think everyone else is stupid? Or do you actually believe the crap you are spewing?

 

First off it’s Lying not lieing…second, I spewed and posted the link to webMD so maybe you have a beef with them. Anyway. I am not trying to change anyone’s mind. Just pointing out there are reasonable people that make reasonable arguments in contrast to yours.

back to OP. Hopefully the Romney McCain and Bush wing of Republican Party is dead

remember how easy it was to dispatch Romney? Stupid story about a dog. That’s all it took.