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Here come the last minute smear tactics…

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Oct 25, 2024.

  1. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

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  2. magnetofsnatch

    magnetofsnatch Rudy Ray Moore’s Idol Premium Member

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    This lady is gonna wait through his first term and now three presidential campaigns to come out now; seems plausible.
     
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  3. gatorchamps960608

    gatorchamps960608 GC Hall of Fame

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    Pure idiocy. He has been immunized in advance for crimes by his criminal SCOTUS and has compliant lackeys in congress. There will be no one to stop him from doing whatever he wants in office if he wins.

    He learned how to tear down the guardrails the first go round.
     
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  4. okeechobee

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    Press interfering with our democratic process.
     
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  5. exiledgator

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    Logistically impossible. Right.

    Cause one thing history has shown again and again is Democracies are the most permanent system of government around. Once established, they can never be undone.

    If you actually believe what you typed, you're further gone that I thought. Or the other explanation...
     
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  6. Norcaligator

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    Baby steps. Pretend to be a tough guy with the only solution ("only I can fix this"). Create a "fake news" alternate reality. Install sycophants to control the government (Project 2025). Demand loyalty to the individual above all else. Attack and silence the press. Silence critics. Ignore the constitution. Fixate on a relatively defenseless "other" (immigrants). Set up camps. Use the military in domestic situations.

    There seem to be a substantial number of citizens that want an almighty executive, and Trump certainly talks like someone who will push the limits. He's a great admirer of Orban, Putin and Kim Jong Un. Whether any of the above comes to pass remains to be seen, but the process by which it could happen isn't that far fetched. If Trump wins the election, the only real check is Congress, and to date the Republicans have shown little backbone or desire to resist Trump (see, e.g., Lindsey Graham, et al.). The Republicans that have resisted were pushed aside by the MAGA faithful.

    I'd rather Harris present a positive message than stoke fears, which is Trump's only real goal at this point, but I'm no expert in running a campaign. Interesting times.
     
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  7. VAg8r1

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    Fixed it for you.
    Press interfering with our performing its expected function during a presidential election campaign in a country with a free and independent press. democratic process.
     
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  8. AgingGator

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    Didn’t believe the one in 2020 that crawled out from under a rock about Biden. Don’t believe this one either.
     
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  9. AgingGator

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    I’m used to and can handle the media portraying this as absolutely true like they always do. I can handle the libbies here all bobbing up and down in synchronized agreement that she is a credible accuser.

    But please Lord, please don’t bring us another Michael Avenatti!!!! It’s probably about time for Jose Baez to crawl out of his hole, let’s hope he doesn’t hear about it.
     
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  10. slocala

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    Undecided voters already know this stuff about him.

    Toxic masculinity has taken over the younger male psyche. It is a mind disease. We are in vacuum of absentee fathers who don’t teach their sons what it means to be a man and having purpose.
     
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    Well they were girls. Some as young as 14. I don’t think it matters if they were there there voluntarily - and to host such a thing?
     
  12. sflagator

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    I have a hard time believing that, Only because the obscenely rich guys I knew in New York who would go to these Eyes-Wide-Shut type parties in the mid-late 90's were pretty fanatic about not getting arrested. And contrary to the mythological tales told today, about the only thing you could get arrested for in New York City or LA as a rich white male was having sex with a minor.

    Don't get me wrong there's plenty of minors engaging in prostitution in New York even today, but they aren't (and never were) women hired at high-end parties. It's just my opinion but based on what I know about the scene and the scene as it existed back then, the details of the story just don't add up. I'd love for it to be true just to see Trump rot away in prison, but it reads too much like Hollywood fantasy

    For reference, I represented one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims/procurers, I'm not just guessing in the dark here
     
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    People having a hard time believing trump would ever do this or that is part of how he has avoided accountability. A source was on the record in the story. Seems like a lot of potential legal risk to assume for really no return. Epstein did it for years and years
     
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    I have no opinion on this case in particular to be clear. But is it uncommon for rich and powerful men to sexually abuse minors (e.g. Epstein) or adults (e.g., Weinstein) - even though they could have found plenty of consenting, adult women with whom to have sex (paid or unpaid)? I have always assumed that some must have a fetish for underage girls while others might get off on the power associated with the non-consensual nature of it more generally.
     
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    all I'm saying is that to me based on my experience that part of the story does not seem realistic. Trump has done so much ridiculous shit that you don't really have to believe everything to understand that he inveterate scumbag. Similarly, not everything said about him has to be true for him to be an inveterate scumbag.

    About Einstein's operation, I know way more than I want to know. The story is that 99% the underaged girls (in fact all of the victims I know of) were willing participants because they were sexually active anyway and it was good money. A lot of them in Palm Beach were the so-called "slutty" girls from Palm Beach Lakes HS because one of the alpha party girls went over to Epstein's to make some money and decided she wasn't into it, but Epstein told her if she could bring other girls he'd pay her the same money. So she recruited other girls to go over there, one of whom was my client.

    It's important that I note here that I'm not condoning this behavior because we have come to the correct (in my opinion) conclusion that underaged people cannot use good judgment when faced with a proposition from an older rich man, and the power differential is so extreme that the sexual contact is automatically involuntary, even if the victim is "willing.". So when I talk about the girls being more sexually active or the fact that they consensually went over there, I'm not trying to excuse Epstein's behavior. My client went over there willingly several times (as a 16 and 17 year old) and got a couple of her friends to do it too, now all these years later she's still in therapy over the whole thing and it affects her life on a daily basis. So it isn't a victimless crime, Even when the girls aren't drugged and brought there involuntarily like the movie Taken.
     
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  16. sflagator

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    with Weinstein it was definitely a power play, with Epstein just based on what I know about his West Palm girls he liked younger girls - less about power and more about his particular fetish. My impression was that he wasn't trying to violently force anyone into anything, instead he was targeting (or girls who worked for him were targeting) 15-18 year old girls who could be coerced with money, gifts, trips, etc. The girls would kind of agree to whatever was going to go on before they ever got near him.

    I guess my point here is is that getting caught up on the "force" aspect of it is kind of a fool's errand. Whether the girls were there consensually or not really doesn't matter. And I think this is another reason why the Trump story doesn't really ring true to me. There are a couple ways you could get underage girls to a sex party (Finding some sort of sex trafficker or doing it like Epstein did it). The sex traffickers tend to deal in immigrants - south Americans and Asians, Maybe Eastern Europeans but in any event not the kind of person that all these rich guys would want to put any sort of trust in. If they were doing it the way Epstein was, which would make a lot more sense, there would be a ton of girls coming out of the woodwork just like there was with Epstein. These girls would be grown up now, would understand the legal system and would have a variety of reasons for coming out and saying something, unlike immigrant / prisoner sex-slaves.

    I'm not saying it might not be true, I'm just saying it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
     
  17. GatorFanCF

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    Because now it's REALLY, REALLY, REALLY important. Translation - Dems thought they had victory after the switcheroo.
     
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  18. rivergator

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    It does make you wonder why she hadn't come forward before. As the OP said, Trump has been running since 2015. But it's also hard to imagine that anyone thinks that one more woman accusing Trump will make any difference at this point.
     
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    So faux insurrection and faux dictator.

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