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Reasons for Early Voting and Absentee Voting

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by flaglerg8tr, Oct 24, 2024 at 8:44 AM.

  1. flaglerg8tr

    flaglerg8tr Freshman

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    And literally taking an hour of your day on Election Day is such an interference with your work schedule and family time?

    It never was for my parents. Heck my mom would take me to the voting location with her. We were in and out in 15 minutes. She thought it was good for me to see the Democratic process in real life. Heck if you are so worried about family time (of course I seriously doubt you are), take your kids with you. Use it as a teaching moment of the responsibility of voting.

    As for overall convenience, I hope you never have to go to the DMV or Social Security Office. Those are sure as heck a lot more inconvenient than going to vote on Election Day. I can absolutely assure you of that.
     
  2. flaglerg8tr

    flaglerg8tr Freshman

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    Agreed. That's why I say make big investments to have more polling locations and more voting machines. It would still be less than having to staff early voting locations for 2 weeks.

    And again make it a National Holiday. Heck have wait time estimates online. By doing these steps you won't have that early morning, lunch or late evening rush. It would be more spread out throughout the day which means a lot less lines.
     
  3. WarDamnGator

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    For some of us, time is our most limited resource. Feel free to waste yours if you want. I support time saving conveniences.
     
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  4. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

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    lol at making a "big investment" in something that's totally unnecessary. How wildly conservative of you.

    I agree it should be a holiday but beyond that the rest of your OP is silly because you provide ZERO reasons why early voting/absentee voting is problematic.

    If you're not concerned about fraud (and you shouldn't be because it's not happening on any scale that matters) then I can only assume that your intent is to decrease turnout. The fewer people that vote the more it favors the GOP. Hard pass.
     
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  5. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

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    Oh and welcome back. Again. A beacon of mental health.
     
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  6. PITBOSS

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    not rhetorical, but what is the concern for early voting? And is there evidence it’s not working?

    my biggest concern is state legislators interjecting themselves in the process if they don’t like the results.

    And next concern is, after the votes are in, having unethical counters. It seems there are different points in the process they could cheat.

    and then drop boxes. I’ve never used one but that would seem like a potential target for problems. A box with lots of votes in the open without effective monitoring.
     
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  7. okeechobee

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    Along these same lines, inevitably we're going to hear about states releasing early voting data each day leading up to Election Day serves as a form of voter suppression of sorts and that data should be kept under wraps. Although, I'm not sure how you could do that given public info laws and such. So the only real alternative to that is to restrict voting to Election Day.
     
  8. okeechobee

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    I would think the main critique to Election Day only voting would be longer lines to wait in. Some precincts simply don't have the infrastructure to support a high turnout election. So you've now not only reduced it to one day of voting, you've made it even more inconvenient to lots of folks who have to stand in line for hours versus other areas where there are virtually no lines. Thus, the voter in the high-density populated areas might be more inconvenienced than voters in low-density population areas. Which could be construed as unfair and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that argument.
     
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    I see Orlando / recently 'retired' Mountaineerpatriot has returned to further disturb and disgrace our disorderly community. I'll let another moderator have the fun of taking out the trash if that's what they decide to do.
     
  10. citygator

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    Georgia just did a report showing its been a decade since an illegal alien voted there. Making it difficult for women and naturalized citizens to vote for no reason is true lawfare. The GOP is a turd-bowl of ideas.

    Bombshell: New report by Republicans in Georgia finds non-citizen voting | Swamp Gas Forums
     
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  11. flaglerg8tr

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    Why is it hard for women and naturalized citizens to get a driver's license or state ID card? You really don't have any respect for them if you think that type of simple task is too much for them. Heck you need an ID to get a job, since you need an ID to complete the I-9.

    The point stands. If you don't require ID to vote, how do you ensure someone is eligible to vote? How do you prevent someone here illegally from voting? Heck how do you prevent a teenager who is 17 from voting?

    Why are you so against basic ID laws to vote? Heck if someone is low income, give them the state driver's license or state ID card for free. From my knowledge many states already have programs like this for low income individuals. Do you not see the double standard, requiring someone to have an ID for basic things like buying alcohol, or heck even buying cough syrup now at a Walmart, but not to vote?

    It is not too much to ask to require an ID to vote. And requiring an ID to vote does not make it hard on women and naturalized citizens.
     
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  12. flaglerg8tr

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    And to answer the question of my concern about early voting. Yes it is about election integrity.

    We all know both sides, Republican and Democrat, know exactly who has voted and how they voted. There is no secrecy to the voting process anymore. They probably know each day who has voted and how they voted.

    Even if they don't know it by name, they know how many Democrats and how many Republicans have voted and how many outstanding votes there are for each party out there.

    This gives either side the ability to manipulate the vote. If either side knows how many Republicans and how many Democrats have voted on each side, they can essentially deduct (obviously with some margin of error, but not a huge amount) the amount they are potentially ahead and potentially behind.

    So if Democrats are up by 30,000 votes in early voting, but their own tabulations indicate they needed to be up by 40,000 votes prior to Election Day (since Election Day favors Republicans), then the Democrats know they have to make up 10,000 votes somehow. And the same could happen in reverse as well.

    Obviously as a Republican I'm more worried about the Democrats doing it. I'm convinced that if Donald Trump wins PA or GA by 1% or 2%, Kamala Harris will be announced the winner. Trump just can't win PA or GA, he has to win those states by at least 3% to make the margin too big for Democrats to reasonably steal (without major questions coming up).

    So yes from my perspective, voting on Election Day makes it harder for either side to manipulate the vote. It simply gives both sides less time to try to manipulate the vote. If I vote early, they can make up that vote. If I vote on Election Day a few hours before the polls close, they can't make up that vote. That's my perspective.
     
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  13. mrhansduck

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    That could happen after the votes are cast if a candidate needed, for example, 11,780 more votes to change the result.
     
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  14. gator95

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    I think there should be early voting but what is important is to require proof of ID to vote. Not complicated and is favored by the overwhelming majority of Americans.

    Americans Endorse Both Early Voting and Voter Verification

    With less than two weeks to go in the presidential campaign and voting already underway in many states, 76% of U.S. adults favor the concept of early voting. Two other election law policies are supported by even more Americans -- requiring photo identification to vote (84%) and providing proof of citizenship when registering to vote for the first time (83%).
     
  15. okeechobee

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    You have a very valid point. It opens up a lot more opportunity for vote count manipulation. Take a state like PA which now has 50 days to vote. Plenty of time to figure out what you need to do and where. Perhaps the more feasible option is passing a national law which prohibits voters from registering with a certain party, similar to Georgia. Or maybe we limit early in person voting to a week before the election.
     
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    Red states manipulate election day voting. They put a minimal amount of voting machines in primarily urban minority dense areas so that people have to stay in line for hours. The goal of course is to make them give up and go home. It's also why it's illegal to hand them bottled water or food.

    Nah, everyone is on to the various nefarious tricks. We aren't going back.
     
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  17. BigCypressGator1981

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    That's not "manipulating" anything. It's just driving turnout.
     
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  18. ajoseph

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    But that works both ways. What if something awful happens to me where I suffer a health emergency and can’t get to the polls? I am fine now. I know unequivocally who I want to vote for. Why not let me get it done???
     
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  19. ajoseph

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    Using this point, what if the scandal is uncovered the day AFTER the election?
     
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  20. AzCatFan

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    They might know who voted, but they don't know who anyone voted for. Counts aren't released until after polls are closed. And there are always people who cross party lines, and plenty of independents who are much harder to count. 40% of voters in Arizona are Is, not Ds or Rs.