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**The end is not near, for Billy Napier at Florida**

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by 62gator, Sep 14, 2024.

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  1. apkgator

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    Of course there was an understanding that there was a rebuild necessary and that was his intention....that's pretty much common knowledge. And equally "of course" is that the 5 year process that the other poster referenced is absurd and would not be acceptable. Nobody gets 5 years, and BN knows that. Heck, nobody gets 4 years at a school like UF.
    Napier's demeanor is what it is, he's certainly not going to discuss his job status nor should he. He certainly realizes he is on the edge, but I personally prefer him keeping his head down and trying to get it fixed rather than freaking out and having the wheels come off. We all know it's unlikely he gets thru the remaining gauntlet to retain his job, but it's much better for everyone if he keeps the noise away from himself and the team.
    Ultimately my point is that the other poster stated that "the UAA fell for some obscure 5 year process". You just stated you don't even believe he was given 4 years, so how can you agree that the UAA accepted 5 years?
     
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  2. uftaipan

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    Yes. No inside information or anything, but I have asserted since the preseason that Kentucky is one of four games that Napier must win this year without excuse to avoid an on-the-spot termination, and he’s already won the other three. I don’t want it, but I can see a plausible scenario where Napier gets a fourth season with five wins. I see no such scenario if he goes 0-3 vs. Kentucky with two of those games at home.
     
  3. uftaipan

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    There’s another element to this “five-year rebuild” that people want to gloss over. Yes, I think there was an understanding that Napier needed at least five years to fully effect his rebuild. But the implicit part of that understanding was five years to compete with Georgia and compete for SEC Championships, not five years to figure out how to beat Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, etc. and possibly achieve a winning season. Year 3 was supposed to put us in that nine-to-ten-win range, consistently hauling top-10 classes, not struggling to see where a fifth win might come from. God bless him, I’m just not sure he built anything in the last three years, and I see no potential for getting to a place in Year 5 that we should have been in Year 3 (and aren’t.).
     
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  4. exiledgator

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  5. foot

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    If you have never spent any time in places like Alabama or Louisiana, then you most likely won't get it. Football is not a sport it is a religion in those areas, and 99% of the people are home grown, super loyal and control all aspects of the government and communities. The NCAA will never tell them what they can or can not do.

    Winning is way more important than the rules and no one is going to give any incriminating evidence against the football program. If someone did, they literally would need to move ASAP as it would not be safe for them any more.

    The NCAA knows how futile it is to investigate them and I think they gave up even trying. Imagine if you were an NCAA investigator, Alabama would be the last place you would want to snoop around looking for infractions to hurt the football program. I'm sure the locals would not be very friendly.
     
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  6. DieAGator

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    An NCAA team investigating would be wearing NCAA INFRACTIONS INVESTIGATION TEAM, and a University would divulge who and where the NCAA INVESTIGATORS would be having lunch and spending their nights. I can see it.
     
  7. spike718

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    it’s like ignoring Sam Gilbert’s role in the stream of players who went to play under John Wooden.
     
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  8. antny1

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    Exactly. John wooden was a great coach and motivator. Legendary. So were his rosters that were bought and paid for. The two dont have to be mutually exclusive. Pretending Saban and Bama didn't stack rosters through a system of pay is incredibly naive. Jimbo Fisher literally said NIL was happening before NIL it just wasn't legal. Jimbo...Sabans former OC.
     
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  9. Bazza

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    Army and Navy are both in the AP Top 25 together for the first time since 1960.

    They just had a nice segment on CGD with Coach Saban showing how Navy's new OC, Drew Cronic, has infused "explosive plays" into their offense and helped them to a so-far undefeated record this season. I will try and find the segment and post it.

    What I posted here a week ago about bringing in an OC is still something I wish we would explore. I have no idea if it's possible or if it would work/help. But going through all that's involved with firing Napier and starting over - I just don't know. I'm not against it. Just offered an opinion on another option.

    How many here ever heard of Drew Cronic before me mentioning him here?



    Check it out...it's a very good and informative article:

    Mercer Head Coach Drew Cronic Named Offensive Coordinator at the Naval Academy
    Cronic is a former American Football Coaches Association National Coach of the Year

     
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  10. MarineG8R

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    I think it’s too late for the OC thing. How do you convince any decent OC to come? Unless it’s someone you would be willing to hand the program over to and I don’t know who that is.
     
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  11. foot

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    There are no infractions within the program they are out in the community that's the beauty of it. So if they want to find dirt they have to go out into the community. It is not hard to hide jobs for the family and cheap or rent free housing and cars and pocket money. It makes it very inviting to a recruit when not only the coaching staff is recruiting, but also the community is recruiting too.

    Saban has said many times in the media, "We are doing our jobs and the fans need to do their job so that we can be successful." What job? It was a brilliant way to green light the Alums and communities. He said the day he was hired by Alabama that they were not hiring a great coach but no one was going to out recruit them. he learned a few trick at LSU and he knew exactly what he was doing and I don't blame him.

    What they were doing was a built in unfair advantage but it is chump change compared to NIL and Saban knew he no longer had that clear recruiting advantage and retired.
     
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  12. Gatorfred

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    $2,000,000 a year would help…. But yeah what you said
     
  13. gatorstrackman

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    No way in hell he gets another season with 5 or 6 wins. Recruits will never sign on to being on a losing team. He’s gone unless he wins 8 imo.
     
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  14. SeabudGator

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    My understanding is that top boosters feel BN sold them a bill of goods and have said no more nil while he’s at UF. Unanimous? No. Ubiquitous? Yes, absent a total turn around (beat uk, lsu and fsu minimum).

    Gotta look at cignetti!
     
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    8? :eek::eek:
     
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  16. Montanagator

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    If he didn't want to hire a OC, the least he could have done was beg SOS for his play book. Lagway can pitch the ball.
     
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  17. WyoGator

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    We can’t afford any more projects or up and comers. We need an experienced head coach that can compete in the SEC…period.
     
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  18. paidinfull

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    His play book is not one size fits all. The part that makes it work is him.
     
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  19. ETGator

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    . . . unless you had a big, fat, disgusting SNITCH just up the road a ways in Knoxville.
     
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  20. gbranton

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    I hate to admit it, I hate Bama, but Saban is the GOAT. I’m not sure how anyone could begin to debate this.
     
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