Harris sitting down for Fox interview Wednesday

LOL. Whether that's true or not -what some people think about his racism- doesn't change the actual racist content of what he says.

Really weird that you can't seem to figure this out....but things actually happen regardless of how some people may think of them.


So for a real world example; when the racist Donald Trump repeatedly tells the racist outright lie that Haitians in Springfield, Ohio are eating people's pets......he is employing the racist technique of Otherism - establishing that certain people are different from you, and therefore not to be trusted. Further, he is falsely implying that they are criminal. Additionally, the lie he repeatedly tells is intended to make people feel threatened (if not for themselves, at least for their pets.)


And.....well.....if he may happen to be polling a few points better with, say, Black people.....well, that doesn't change the fact that he's been repeatedly telling racist lies.

Christ this is obvious by now. It's hard to tell if it's more shocking that someone like you doesn't seem to understand any of this.....or that you tolerate it.

 

While I agree that public opinion does not change whether something or someone is actually racist in fact, Trump’s comments happen to not be racist.

They may or may not be true, but they’re not racist.

 

I truly don’t believe Trump is a racist. Trump is, however, an enabler of racism. He refused to strongly denounce acts of hate from his public pulpit (even if he did in quieter terms later in his favored media). There is a reason why the hate groups in this country support him.

 

One name I think you should be aware of if you aren't:

Nigel Farage.



Farage is the UK mouthpiece for the far right and is one of the biggest hypocrites out there, sadly. A national embarrassment. Absolutely $ loaded, he somehow campaigns successfully as speaking for the common man and they lap it up. Why? What is his big influence?
... most would say it's dog whistling about racism.

He's very, very effective at it - he was the main culprit behind the Brexit farce which has been ruinous (as most predicted) for the UK economy. And yet Nigel and his buddies somehow were so insulated - many of his public backers made swathes of money by taking financial positions based on the collapsing economy following it. Links to all the usual places east of Europe, as you can imagine.
Some absolutely love him - many, can't stand him. I find him to be a total political grifter but I cannot deny he will always have his cult followers/

Oh and he also just so happens to have been a long time buddy with someone over your side...



I noticed the very significant increase in anti-immigrant sentiment in your election this year. Some very noticeable crossover between the two.
One can't help but wonder if they've been in each other's ears...

Still, we'll always have this...

 

I am extremely critical of trump. So much so that I’ve never voted for him. Harris by her voting record is very liberal so she had no chance to earn my vote. I voted for desantis in 2018 but because he moved much more to the right than he was before he won in 2018 he lost my vote in 22.

 

So . . . . trying to win a campaign is . . . . bad. . . . . . . brilliant!

 

I agree that trump will cater to almost anyone who supports him. He’s that much of a narcissist. He treats people like crap and just flat out a terrible human being. I think the last good candidates this country had was in 2012 with Obama and Romney. Both are good people with different political opinions. Wish we went back to nominating good people on both sides.

 

Link?

National : President: general election : 2024 Polls (+2.1)

2024 Presidential Election Polls: Harris vs. Trump - 270toWin (+2.1)

Election 2024 Polls: Harris vs. Trump (+2)

 

Don’t have link, but here is full article - the best yet IMHO:
Fox News’s interview of Kamala Harris was grievance theater, not political journalism


Brett Baier interrupted Harris so much she could barely finish a sentence. She still injected some reality into Fox News’s world


Margaret Sullivan

Bret Baier started off his Wednesday eveninginterview with Kamala Harris with a barrage of combative questions about immigration, designed less to elicit substantive answers than to prove what a tough guy the Fox host could be.

His aggressive approach was understandable, in a way, since Baier had been under pressure for days from the Donald Trump faithful; they were convinced he was going to go easy on the Democratic nominee for president, and maybe even allow her campaign to edit the interview or see the questions in advance.

So, Baier came out guns blazing, barely allowing the vice-president to finish a sentence before jumping in with objections and arguments.

After 10 minutes of playing immigration “gotcha”, Baier pivoted to the obvious next subject, airing a video clip in which Harris expressed support for transgender people in prisons.

Immigrant hatred. Transphobia. And later, Joe Biden’s age. Baier was running through the Fox News greatest hits playlist.

This was grievance theater, not political journalism.

But Harris got in her licks. She had her moments.

Chiming in afterwards in what some saw as corporate damage control, Baier’s colleagues on Fox News gushed their approval. Martha MacCallum termed Baier’s performance “masterful”, while Dana Perino analyzed the interview as “super good”.

I can’t imagine that too many viewers agreed. If they came to it expecting to learn more about Harris’s policies or get a true sense of her character, they would have been disappointed. That wasn’t the game plan, and it wasn’t the result.

But Harris accomplished something anyway.

Merely by sitting down with a Fox host, she made a few statements.

First, that she is unafraid and is willing to speak to all voters. It’s hard to imagine Donald Trump, these days, submitting to an interview with, say, Rachel Maddow of MSNBC; just this week, he turned away from a CNBC interview, and earlier canceled a CBS News 60 Minutes agreement.

Second, Harris did manage to introduce a few snippets of reality to dedicated Fox viewers who probably haven’t been exposed to some of the most troubling criticisms of Trump.

“That he’s unfit to serve. That he’s unstable. That’s he’s dangerous,” was how she characterized what millions of Americans are feeling. “And that people are exhausted.”

She even was able to mention, at some length, the harsh view of the former commander-in-chief from Mark Milley, who served in two top military roles – including chair of the joint chiefs of staff – during the Trump administration.

Milley has called Trump “fascist to the core” and has said that no one has ever been as dangerous to the United States.

So maybe this was what one leading expert on Fox News, Brian Stelter, called the Harris campaign’s “Google strategy”. On CNN, Stelter speculated that viewers might hear these comments and go searching online for more, thus piercing the information bubble they’ve been living in.

No doubt, the vast majority of regular Fox viewers have their minds made up – they’re sticking with Trump. No matter his mental decline. No matter his felony convictions. No matter the threats he makes or the threats he poses.

But there may be a small percentage of the millions who tuned in who – despite all the noise and interruptions – managed to hear a reasonable, intelligent and stable alternative to Trump. Maybe some of them live in the key swing state of Pennsylvania, where the interview was recorded, or in Wisconsin or Michigan.

In this coin flip of an election, even that tiny adjustment might make all the difference.

 

More viewers than I expected.

Kamala Harris Fox News Interview Brings in 8 Million Viewers, Trump Town Hall Gets 3 Million

 

If you go to the following link and then look on the right hand side you'll see the Electoral College column that lists out all the swing states. Trump is currently leading in all of them but they are all within the MoE.

2024 RCP Electoral College Map | RealClearPolling

If you are looking for a more left leaning site, Electoral-Vote.com has Trump up 256 to 251.
ElectoralVote

 

Blown opportunity.

Lol @ sKamala.

Further shows how ill qualified she is. She's in waaaaaaay over her head.

Well, maybe not quite for puppet in chief, but she can't even make the sale that she's less unqualified, than Trump!

 

Wrong.

Telling known lies about an ethnic demographic, for the express purpose of disparaging them, is almost exactly what the definition of racism is.

This isn't even a point worth debating, it's so accepted as fact. That you would attempt to debate that is a commentary on you.

 

Nope.

Not "he's a bad person. Just like both sides. Both bad sides are equal."

He's a criminal. And a rapist. And a racist. And he tried to overturn an election. Unlike the other side.

 

Criticizing the negative consequences of illegal immigration is not racist.

Now, Trump’s criticisms may be true, they may not be true, but they’re not racist.

 

Making up tales about immigrants going around consuming household pets? That isn’t “criticizing the consequences” of anything. This was literally making shit up… and also racist trash aimed at Haitians.

We can see with so many “right wing” positions these days they can’t even be argued honestly. So instead we get nonsense like “they’re executing babies after birth” and “they’re eating the dogs. they’re eating the cats” and “release the kraken”. I’d say be better, but we know that’s a lost cause at this point.

 

Again, if you vote for Trump you are okay with what he says and does by definition. Own it

 

Except Trump didn’t make up these stories. These are real allegations from people in Springfield, Ohio. Are they true? Who knows.

 

“Who knows”. It was one lady who started the rumor, a Trump supporter of course, who later found her cat. Maybe MAGA will adjudicate every missing pet and find one that was barbecued?

Trump supporter who blamed Haitians for stealing cat finds pet in basement

The only “who knows” is how bullshit like this each reaches a Presidential debate in the context of… anything, other than the obvious answer of who/what we are dealing with here.