What’s happening in America today is something darker than a misinformation crisis.

Oh the irony!

It is comical how some of you have been so blinded by the misinformation/propaganda.

Please do show one thing I have said that is "misinformation".

And lets not use the propaganda you have been sold. There is a reason not one person can refute the fact Italy/New York/Diamond Princess proved that any epidemiologist worth anything knew Covid was not that dangerous to the vast majority of people and was never going to be close the fear porn you believed.

That data from 2020 alone is rock solid evidence the covid shot should have never been authorized to anyone under 65 who is healthy based on basic science and medicine alone. All I can speculate is that you and others are so upset you were sold a lie that you refuse to acknowledge it.

When it comes to Jan 6. Just watch the speech. Know the location. Know Trump offered the National Guard. Know Pelosi declined. Know there were fringe groups a 45 minute walk from the speech location that clearly did not listen to the speech. But I am sure you do not care about facts and prefer to as a mod try to silence what you disagree with instead of actually seek the truth about what happened.

Carry on...

 

Trump was played by Pelosi if you back up and look at the events of the day.

He offered the national guard. She said no thank you. There were fringe groups there and they absolutely made a mess of a day. But they went into action before the speech ended. A speech that was a 45 minute walk from the Capitol.

Yet the next day all you saw on the news...

The mob and Trump saying...Fight.

It was a complete lie and the height of misinformation. It is why you cannot accept reality. Not once did Trump call for what happened at the Capitol. Yet you are hooked by the misinformation!

 

So Trump felt he won. I personally think the mail in voting for no reason absolutely was the way a guy who never showed his face beat the candidate who had 10s of thousands at rally's consistently and was actually a good President (surprisingly to me). It does not change the fact Trump did nothing to call for or incite an "insurrection". And if he did. It was the most incompetent insurrection in the history of mankind. But that is not what happened. He did get played by Pelosi imo though...

 

Phil...you very well know the data from 2020 proves the shot should have never been approved for any healthy person under 65. New York/Italy/Diamond Princess showed and proved this. Arguably no one now that we are in 2024 but I can get to the unhealhty over 65 in real time. That said it should have been shut down quickly. Yet here we are in 2024 suggesting a child take it. Thank goodness doctors no longer listen to the idiots at the cdc!

 

Somehow the left reveres the original and truly violent insurrectionists of 1775ff. Maybe they’re just into powdered wigs.

 

And you are just wrong. Died of despair?!? Are you out of your mind?

As I said 3 of my direct co-workers DIED. 2 in my facility of about 50 and one in IT in our main office. One other in my facility ALMOST died. More were hospitalized besides that one.

All in the prime of their lives. To say we caused "generational harm" unnecessarily completely ignores the fact our healthcare system almost failed during the pandemic because people like you didn't take it seriously.

You are obviously the one who is afraid, because you can't admit the magnitude of Trump's disaster - and let's face it, you are part of his cult, so no surprise there.

You might as well burn your industrial engineering master's degree if you are going play to your cult's politics and deny, deny, deny...

Explain how the pandemic killed so many more per capita in the US and consider the fact that its spread was aided by our air travel infrastructure, our politics where masks and vaccines were unacceptable to idiots, and then consider how many Americans have risk factors who are not over 65 and you might be on to something.

 

The insane levels of copium Q is smoking are truly astonishing.

He might as well just have been born with just a brain stem, because the rest of it isn't being used for any good purpose... because despair and famine killed all the people during COVID and January 6th wasn't an insurrection that killed police officers... smh....

 

This proves you are either not concerned about data or you just have a biased agenda.

Go look at the data. It proved the epidemiologist who actually looked at New York/Italy/Diamond Princess right. Why? Because Covid 19 is a disease that while novel we had information on. And they knew this. On top of that...even it was straight novel with nothing similar to compare it to. We could read the data and see it was a bad flu and really more so a terrible disease for the elderly with comorbidities.

You may not want to accept this reality. But there is no refute.

The only question is whether we should have ever authorized the shot for a short period for those over 65 with comorbidities. At the time I said yes. In 2024 knowing even more...that was probably not the right call either. But at least it is defensible.

 

Yes, screw all those 1 million dead Americans not in the "majority of people" who were "not in danger" who died and almost crashed the rest of the healthcare system and those who could not receive or chose not to receive healthcare because the hospitals were jammed with dying Americans.

I guess from an industrial engineering standpoint we just had too many bottlenecks in the healthcare delivery process and we just needed to apply some capital from the trillions Trump added to the national debt and increase capacity of the hospitals. We could just replace the dead doctors and nurses with some scabs so we could care for people because, really, it was no big deal.

Not giving ventilators and testing equipment to Putin probably would have helped also, but what do rational people not in cults know anyway?

 

You clearly have no understanding of medicine/science and reality.

But the propaganda has you fired up.

Look at the data. Do not allow your feelings to get in the way!

 

LOL!

They were completely unnecessary for the vast majority of the population and had side effects. It was the antithesis of medicine. Again. In real time I was for them for over 65 with comorbidities. In 2024 even that was probably wrong.

We know this. Doctors know this.

There is a reason basically no one takes the shot anymore. Even though the cdc and big pharma tells you to...

 

This is the poster child post of someone going through every facet of mental gymnastics to comfort himself in being wrong. It ignores the volumes of documents, including memoranda between Trump and his closest advisors, where it was revealed everyone knew Trump lost and there was zero evidence to back up any of the cockamamie claims of fraud. It ignores the testimony from these same advisors where they stated under oath exactly this.

This is not a case of someone’s opinion that they won; it’s not a gymnastics meet. This is a case where our President lied to all of us by telling us our vote didn’t count.

And look how you totally dodged the uncontroverted fact that Trump tried to literally replace electorates to change the actual vote. And how he tried several times to convince Pence to refuse to confirm the votes.

Just because you voted for the guy doesn’t mean he has a license to cheat, and then lie to you and me.

You keep trying to recast the lies into your defense of whether there was an insurrection. I’ve deliberately not sued that word. I have been discussing the 6 week period that culminated in a day that the where the World saw, on live TV, our Congressmen running for safety to escape a mob (or as you like to call them, tourists).

Trump’s post 2020 election conduct is a disgrace that has infected our entire nation.

 

The very fact that you equate January 6 with 1775 tells the entire story—you think January 6 was an insurrection attempt. You’re just displeased with the result. Not a shock since you openly despise our 2 party system and embrace autocracy.

 

Seriously? That's how you want to act here?
No, no one is trying to silence you. As far as posting the facts about whether Pelosi really turned down Trump's offer for security ... you 've already made it clear you won't accept anything. Right? It's all propaganda.

 

Police told them to go home and they went home? I guess you had no problem with the multiple assaults on police officers some of which resulted in serious injuries before they "went home" as well as their vandalism of the Capitol before they "went home".

 

I think his position with respect to the events of January 6, 2021 is that "if Donald Trump said it, it must be true".

 

Or, he desperately doesn’t want to be wrong,which would mean he was duped, and so he digs deep to find something that gives him comfort with a “win,” even if it doesn’t comport with the Sun rising in the East and setting in the West.

 

This board never ceases to amuse. When Trump is set aside posters on Too Hot rage about police overreach.

But I get that it is a monstrous thing to transgress the National Temple of Plunder and Murder otherwise known as the Capitol.