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What’s happening in America today is something darker than a misinformation crisis.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by philnotfil, Oct 12, 2024.

  1. VAg8r1

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    I guess what happened on January 6th wasn't an insurrection, it was a failed insurrection and more accurately a failed coup d'état to prevent the peaceful and lawful transition of power from the administration of a defeated presidential candidate. I would add that the attempted coup resulted from the failure for the first time in American history of a defeated incumbent president to accept his defeat. Going all the way back to John Adams defeat by Thomas Jefferson in the 1800 election every defeated president has accepted the results of the election that resulted in his defeat until 2020 when the incumbent thanks to his extreme form of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, the real Trump Derangement Syndrome, refused to accept his defeat combined with his gift for demagoguery and the ability to influence his willfully ignorant followers who worship him like the leader of a cult.
     
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  2. ajoseph

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    I see it differently. I see it as a tragic culmination of reckless lies by Trump—
    Lies which we know beyond any doubt he knew when he was peddling them—about losing the election. January 6 was one of the ugliest days in our history, not because of “an insurrection,” but because of the mass of people our sitting President knowingly misled into believing their voice didn’t count,
    that they were cheated, and that democracy failed them. And while spewing such abhorrent, inciting, reckless rhetoric, Trump knew he was lying. Add on to that his scheme to install fake electors, and his efforts to induce Pence to stall the rubber stamp on the electoral college.

    We saw our sitting President—the man we entrusted with the keys to our government and treasure—knowingly and intentionally do his level best to steal a second term.

    That remains the disgraceful legacy of Trump, and it was a terrible day for our Country.
     
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  3. gator_jo

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    More people died from famine caused by the response than.....there was excess morbidity?

    Fascinating.
     
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  4. QGator2414

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    Read the speech. Follow the timeline. Know Trump offered security. Know Pelosi denied the offer. And I suspect for a reason…
     
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  5. CHFG8R

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    It was a drunken riot of the stupidest people America has to offer. To call it an insurrection would imply a level of competence that was clearly absent on that day and continues to be absent in all things MAGA Moron.

    Next time - no matter who is engaging in it - I hope they catch lead.
     
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  6. ajoseph

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    Oh please. Just because you say something doesn’t make it true. Obviously, you can believe whatever source you wish to believe, I choose to believe the people that have spent their lives studying, researching, testing, sampling, publishing and most importantly, being peer reviewed and tested. Conspiracy theories are admittedly more entertaining, and so I grant you that. But, at the expense of repetition, just because Star Wars was entertaining doesn’t mean that Jedi’s are real.
     
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  7. ajoseph

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    You are focused on a speech; I’m talking about the 6 week period that led up to that speech. But, feel free to re-imagine the speech and events in any way that brings you the comfort you need to escape the admission that you were one of the core people that were utterly deceived and misled.
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    Well, I suppose you could say math is a hard science.
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    I quickly lost track of the times I stumbled across counter-narrative … sought to share the source with others … scrubbed.

    There was a campaign to restrict discourse and it was a spectacular success.

    Leading epidemiologists were de-platformed.
     
  10. ajoseph

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    You are a highly credentialed Twitter scientist who believes viruses don’t exist. I am sure there’s a place for your practice in your community.
     
  11. VAg8r1

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    Trump used the word "peacefully" a single time in a speech close to an hour and the speech itself was essentially a repetition of the false narratives and imagined fraud that he had been alleging since and even prior to the election. Also let's not forget that Trump was watching the events on television for over two hours before calling off his mob and that he had no problem with the threats against his own vice president.
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    As an insurrection it was a marked failure. Police told them to go home and they went home. Darkest day in American history. Martha Rabbitz wept.
     
  13. duggers_dad

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    There it is. Effectively it was like, “Who are you to question the tenets of Islam ? You’re no Koran scholar. You’re just some guy in your mom’s basement on the internet. We’re going to make you go away.
     
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  14. rivergator

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    FYI, just because the thread is about misinformation doesn’t mean you have to fill it with as much misinformation as you can.
     
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  15. ajoseph

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    That’s exactly true. Twitter scientist, in my opinion, is not someone I would go to for scientific knowledge. I would choose to go to someone who is credentialed by study, degree and peer acceptance. As I said, I’m sure there’s a place for Twitter scientists such as yourself.
     
  16. philnotfil

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    Says he is capable of understanding data. Posts data that disagrees with his claims. Continues to make same claims.
     
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  17. duggers_dad

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    Koran scholars are highly credentialed and well regarded by their peers. Besides, what is the likelihood that billions of adherents have been sorely misinformed for 1,300 years. Bottom line: who are you to question Islam you insignificant rando in Mom’s basement ?
     
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    Lies. Haitians only sacrifice edible animals like chickens and goats:
    Experts have dismissed these claims, including Dr. Ingrid Kummels, a Latin American ethnologist at Freie Universität Berlin. "Afro-Caribbean religions, including Haitian Vodou, only involve the sacrifice of animals considered edible, such as chickens and goats. Cats and dogs are not part of these practices," Kummels told DW, adding that animal sacrifices in Vodou are reserved for significant rituals.

    Dr. Grete Viddal, an independent ethnologist specializing in Caribbean Vodou culture, noted a long-standing expression about Haitians and cats. "There's an expression in Haiti about extreme poverty, saying someone is so poor they might have to eat cats. But the idea that Haitians eat cats in Vodou rituals is pure fiction. It's simply not true," she told DW.

    Fact check: Disinformation targets Haitian migrants – DW – 09/13/2024
     
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  20. gator_jo

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    You say some kooky s***.
     
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