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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8tas, Oct 10, 2024.

  1. WarDamnGator

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    Haven’t seen an update recently but I read that the TV stations continued to play it after the threat was made public. Those incompetent dopes in Tallahassee probably brought more attention to her story than it ever would have gotten otherwise. I never would have seen the ad if it wasn’t made national news.

    BTW, the statute they are threaten to prosecute under is mostly used to prosecute things like leaking septic tanks and unsanitary food prep businesses… why they think they can use it to silence political speech is another dumb ass DeSantis mystery.
     
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  2. rivergator

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    I'm confused how anyone could try to defend the state doing this. Since when is it a state's job or right to decide what ads are correct and what aren't?
    I don't get it.
     
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  3. FutureGatorMom

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    Not saying you're wrong, but is it just not addressed? If you're a doctor, are you going to put your license and or possibly your freedom on the line when the law is vague? The overturning was a disastrous mistake and women are paying the price, again. It was considered an abortive procedure by the doctors that perform it before roe was overturned.

    On another note, 64,000 women have been forced to bear their rapist's baby:
    Polls show about seven in 10 Americans say abortion should be legal in cases of rape or incest. But since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, nine states have banned abortion in those cases. A study in the Journal of the American Medical Association calculates there have been more than 64,000 rape-related pregnancies in areas with bans.

    Study estimates 64,000 pregnancies from rape in states that enacted abortion bans post-Roe

    Unless a woman wants to be subservient, there isn't one that should vote for trumph this year.
     
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  4. FutureGatorMom

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    We live in a "Communist State" here, that's how.
     
  5. WESGATORS

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    it's not vague in FLORIDA; that's why I asked about Alabama. I quoted the FLORIDA law in the previous post as it defines abortion (added as an edit). We've had the unfortunate circumstance to have to go through a miscarriage pretty late, and I wasn't bothered by the usage of the "abortion" terminology as used by the hospital, but my wife was. To me, and as we've discussed this topic for years, I've always seen it from the hospital's perspective that abortion was a procedure simply referencing the removal from the womb. The state, very clearly, in my opinion, does not use the terminology in the same way.

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  6. WESGATORS

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    I've said this multiple times now, but I've never advocated for the state trying to enforce factual content in political ads. My point is that the ad is actually inaccurate, and that is the reason they were called out for it. Can we not compartmentalize those concepts for a minute?

    (A) - Government enforcement of misinformation of political ads
    (B) - Was the ad actually presenting misinformation

    We should be able to discuss B without having to defend A, no?

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  7. channingcrowderhungry

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    I'm sure the poster who started the "Democrats want to end free speech" thread will come explain it to you .
     
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  8. GatorJMDZ

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    The ad I referred to is blatantly inaccurate, more so than the one mentioned in the op.
     
  9. WESGATORS

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    I have no objection to that.

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  10. l_boy

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    So when social media interferes with disinformation Conservative speech that is cause for outrage but a political advertisement has false information that is cause for criminal conviction?

    Just about every political ad has some degree of lying in it.
     
  11. WESGATORS

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    See post #46.

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  12. l_boy

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    it seems like you are changing the subject.

    the ad maybe inaccurate (I have t seen the ad) but it is likely a degree of context. All political ads take facts and present them out of context and often they are flat out factually inaccurate.

    So DeSantis wants to selectively criminalize ads that they view as inaccurate.

    Instead of talking about that, criminalizing speech, you want to talk about that it is inaccurate, which makes it like every other political ad created in history.
     
  13. WESGATORS

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    The subject I have addressed from the get go is the misinformation in the ad. I've expressed in multiple ways that I do not support the government being tasked with fact-checking and penalizing ads. I think ALL political ads that are manipulative and false should be called out whether they are "my team" or "your team." People on this forum go out of their way to try to jam a person's view into one side of the aisle or the other; that's not the case here as I have expressed that I am already supportive of Amendment 4. I just don't support the false narrative tactics.

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  14. l_boy

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    I extracted this directly out of your post.

    is that manipulative?

    regardless it is a true statement.
     
  15. rtgator

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    This is Donald Trump's America . . . .
     
  16. rtgator

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    I'm not sure of the context of this statement but, for the record, there are virtually no Communists in elected office in the U.S.
     
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  17. rtgator

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    Even Bernie Sanders is NOT a Marxist Socialist or a Communist. He is a Democratic Socialist.

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  18. WESGATORS

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    No you didn't. You modified the quote (which is a board violation). If you just "extracted" it directly out of my post you wouldn't have left it as quoted content.

    At this point, I have no idea. Your point on this thread isn't very clear at all (to me), so I'm not sure what you are trying to influence or control. Or perhaps you mean something completely different by the term?

    Perhaps, but you've removed enough from my statement to make it have no useful relationship to what I've said. You've just expressed a different opinion than what I've expressed.

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  19. FutureGatorMom

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    First, I'm sorry for your loss. A very gut wrenching thing to go through I'm sure.

    Since most laws on the books, are archaic and vague, doctors are erroring on the side of caution for them. Our state passed a 6 week ban, but many situations, like yours, happen later than that.
     
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  20. FutureGatorMom

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    I'd argue many don't run as such, but like to look like one when they govern.