Florida is threatening to prosecute TV stations over an abortion rights ad. The FCC chief calls it ‘

What have I defended?

This is the wrong approach medically. Any doctor/administration that does this should be properly called to task for it. This is not a part of medical care, and should be discouraged/condemned at every turn. Insurance and fear of lawsuits in general is changing our medical care for the worse. As somebody who has spent a great deal of time on the customer/patient side of things (over the past nearly 20 years), this fear of being wrong or fear of being decisive has had a large negative impact on the quality of care. Fortunately, there are still a lot of good doctors that won't be burdened by these things. But that's another issue altogether.

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One ad talks about a teen being impregnated by rape and having to carry that baby, and the other is about a woman who was diagnosed with a brain tumor while pregnant. How is any of that misinformation?
Chemo can harm a fetus and should a teen have to process the rape, get the courage to report it, get to a doctor, wait 48 hours, go back to the doctor for an abortion all within the 6 week limit??
YES, doctors have to make a decision to not treat which goes against their oath, because they could lose that license or worse. If you have a miscarriage, you need a D&C or you'll end up with sepsis and die. Doctors in the ER are having to determine whether to treat women for that. Good doctors are at odds with this and many are leaving Alabama because of it. We will be experiencing the same thing should Amendment 4 not pass

I'm starting to see the righteous righties as people who think we are all robots that think the same, react the same, and if we aren't, we should be.

There hasn't been one step, even a tiny step, in the direction of socialism, but the "republicans" are on the fast track to a dictatorship where women are the low rung on the totem pole.

 

They're afraid of criminal prosecution. It is misguided to blame the doctors and administrators, rather than the system and laws that threaten them with prison.

 

These changes haven't taken place because of criminal law; they've been underway for years due to lawsuits. This is just a new fear that's been added to the mix. This problem doesn't go away when Amendment 4 succeeds; nobody will care about these things until it affects them on a personal level. It makes healthcare costs go up and the quality of care go down.

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Bullshit. "These changes" are a direct result of Republican SCOTUS overturning Roe v. Wade, and Republican legislatures banning abortion.

 

This part, right here. It is at the core of every stupid idea they have. Basically, insecurity. "I'm stupid and uninformed. Why can't everyone else be as dumb and emotional as me?"

 

The claim is that the abortion is prohibited ("even in cases like mine"); it is explicitly allowed. Why not have an honest ad that simply says "we shouldn't need a doctor's note?" Simple, just as effective (possibly not? does that difference really move the needle for anybody?), and accurate.

I'm curious, does Alabama law describe an abortion as removing a dead baby/fetus from the womb? I'm pretty sure FLORIDA's clarified that that was not the case; however, that is the term that those in the field had typically referred to removing a miscarried baby/fetus from the womb. If Alabama law is written that way, it seems like that could be problematic. If it's not written that way, I don't see why that would raise any flags.

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Well, I can make the argument that it does ban abortions "even in cases like hers", or at least it's reasonable to interpret it that way. First off, abortion is banned after 6 weeks unless she can get two doctors to agree it is "necessary". Not only that, they must agree it is necessary save her life or to prevent future irreversible harm to the mother. In this case, the harm to the mother already existed and wasn't being caused by the pregnancy, and terminating the pregnancy wouldn’t end it. It appears that harm to the mother was limiting, but perhaps not eliminating, treatment options for another affliction not related to being pregnant. Also, it might have already been irreversible. Or it could have been reversable after the baby was born, but with a decreased probability of success? We don't know, based on that ad, where she fell. And further, her life wasn't in immediate danger, she was probably stable at the time and in no immediate threat of death, so her life wasn't "being saved" at the time.

Look, I get what you are saying, in this case probably no one would question it, but you know in "cases like hers" -- which is what she said -- there will be even more gray areas where some of the vagueness in the law could be exploited by pro-lifers to punish abortion doctors, which is their primary goal in criminalizing this in the first place. I mean, we've already seen doctors reluctant to sign off "in cases like hers", so we can't say she is lying.

 

The issue isn't whether a miscarried/dead fetus can be removed from the womb, it's whether a living fetus who is very likely to die in the womb and whose continued survival prior to its almost certain death would jeopardize the health or life of the mother can be removed by a physician without the fear of potential prosecution.

 

Separate issues; in the first part, I'm talking about the ad; in the second part, I'm talking about Alabama doctors being afraid to perform D&Cs.

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I’m going to go ahead and post this here because I want GatorCountry to get a cease and desist letter too.

 

Looks like a threat to me:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/10/09/florida-abortion-tv-ad-caroline/

 

Well, first of all, once Roe was overturned, archaic state laws that were on the books from long before Roe were automatically put into action. Alabama has not made one move to update or allow their citizens to amend their laws like we are.

In Georgia, Amber Thurman went out of state to get the morning after pill. Her body aborted the fetus, but she needed a D&C. When she started feeling sick, she went to the ER and they waited 20 hours while she writhed in pain before they wheeled her into the OR. She died on the table. Making a woman wait until she is on the brink of death, then get two doctor's notes, THEN get to the hospital before she dies is ridiculous. A D&C is considered an abortive procedure that is life saving for the woman.

We have an actual OBGYN giving testimony and a woman who experienced the worst possible situation as to why we need to pass Amendment 4. That's a lot more convincing than some actor asking why she needs a note.

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable.

 

Not according to the State of Florida it is not. This is why I was trying to get at whether the hospital is calling it abortive or the State is calling it abortive. That makes a pretty significant difference. What is “abortive” to the hospital isn’t “abortive” to the State. Which means that all of their “abortive” procedures are not illegal. Including things like a D&C in FLORIDA.

[EDIT: @GatorJMDZ , @G8trGr8t - I'm genuinely curious why you disagree. The State of FLORIDA defines abortion as follows (source): "
390.011 Definitions.—As used in this chapter, the term:
(1) “Abortion” means the termination of human pregnancy with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus.
" - how could a reasonable person possibly consider that to be encompassing of a D&C procedure? Or if you are meaning something else by your disagree, I'd love to know more]

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Then they need to send out a similar letter to the stations airing that ad falsely claiming that the amendment would allow for underage girls to get abortions without parental notification. The damn amendment says on its face it has no effect on the parental notification laws. The only reason that letter won't go out is that the same "team" who is sending out these letters wrote that BS ad.

 

Imagine if there was an ad that showed what an abortion looked like at 22 weeks and/or 28 weeks.

 

Is it... misinformation... or FAKE NEWS... They should be prosecuted if that is indeed the case.

 

LOL, you would be in jail...like....forever.

 

If you want to prosecute politicians for using misinformation and fake news, let me tell you about the GOP nominee...