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Trump's tax plan: The richest 5% get a tax break, the bottom 95% get a tax increase

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Oct 8, 2024.

  1. WarDamnGator

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    Non-partisan tax policy group finds that Donald's goal is to give himself a tax break while raising taxes on the poor and middle class. They did the math on all the tax proposals he's suggested. I mean, what else would you expect from this self-obsessed pig. He has no interest in helping anyone but himself.

    Former President Donald Trump has proposed a wide variety of tax policy changes. Taken together, these proposals would, on average, lead to a tax cut for the richest 5 percent of Americans and a tax increase for all other income groups.

    If these proposals were in effect in 2026, the richest 1 percent would receive an average tax cut of about $36,300 and the next richest 4 percent would receive an average tax cut of about $7,200. All other groups would see a tax increase with the hike on the middle 20 percent at about $1,500 and the increase on the lowest-income 20 percent of Americans at about $800.

    A Distributional Analysis of Donald Trump’s Tax Plan – ITEP
     
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  2. AndyGator

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    Was there any doubt?
     
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  4. gatordavisl

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    It's ok. I'm sure all the Too Hot Trumpistas are five percenters.
     
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  5. slocala

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    @WarDamnGator — I am gonna have to give your a sort-of-disagree on this. The largest increase in “tax” is a projected impact on people for an importation tariff. See figure 2. I don’t believe for a second that Trump has a clue how to use tariff’s strategically. It is all bluster. If you pull the tariff impact out, he is effectively going to extend his 2017 tax cuts, drop the Corp tax to 20%, lose on global min tax (dumb), and unwind IRA tax credits (dumb).
     
  6. WC53

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    And yet the blind follow while he slides into pooty’s DM’s
     
  7. gatorchamps960608

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    I said this in a P2025 thread. Minimum $2600 tax increase for the middle class maybe more and no more child tax credits.

    Most of the people supporting Trump here can't afford to vote for him.
     
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  8. WarDamnGator

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    I’m not sure what you mean. Tariiffs are a tax on imported goods that is paid by the consumer. I get that it’s more of an indirect tax than sales tax or income tax, but still a tax that is transferred to the consumer. Or are you saying Trump is just saying dumb stuff so dumb people will vote for him, we can’t take it seriously, he won’t actually do it?
     
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  9. OklahomaGator

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    There are some positive economic benefits to any tariff. Primarily, they are put in to protect a domestic industry. Let's use steel as an example. Putting a tariff on imported steel would make domestic steel more affordable and help the domestic industry providing more jobs for the US. While the price of steel is higher, there are also more Americans working and earning a living. It is not all negative.
     
  10. WarDamnGator

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    Yeah, but middle class and poor people are not buying steel by the ton from China. Trumps plan is to add a 20% to tax “everything” imported, including food and the basic home goods that middle class people buy. That comes out of their pockets even if someone in Pittsburg got a job out of it. I’m not saying it all bad, but if Trump is going to campaign on putting a tariff on “everything”, then it’s certainly fair to calculate how that will affect people.
     
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  11. slocala

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    I am suggesting that it is dummy Trump talk and he can’t torpedo the economy in a trade war. The flip is that his tax plan has no offset without his tariffs blowing a bigger hole in the deficit.
     
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  12. OklahomaGator

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    Again, steel was just used as an example but you could use other items that people buy every day. Another point is if the 20% tariff causes the goods to be priced 10% over the domestic counterpart, the consumer would only pay 10% more, not the full value of the tariff.
    BTW, I am not a fan of tariffs, more a proponent of free trade. But if the foreign governments are subsidizing their exports, then the tariffs are appropriate.
     
  13. WarDamnGator

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    What is the ”domestic counterpart” of a banana? They are like 99% imported from Central America because they grow there abundantly and cheaply. We can do the same for 1000s of other products that don’t originate from the US and have no domestic production.
     
  14. AzCatFan

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    In reality, if a 20% tariff causes foreign goods to be 10% more than domestic goods, the domestic producers are going to raise prices 5% and will still be cheaper than their foreign competitors. We saw this happen with washing machines under Trump's first administration.
     
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  15. OklahomaGator

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    If a foreign producer is selling product in the US below their cost to simply gain market share, this is not acceptable. A tariff is appropriate. If not, once the domestic producers of washing machines in your example, go out of business, what do you think the price of imported washing machines will do?
     
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    When you say "non-partisan" are you just lying to lie or just hoping no one looks them up?

    Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy - InfluenceWatch - InfluenceWatch.

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  17. WarDamnGator

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    So you sent their mission statement but are ignoring what they actually do? LOL. Too funny. They are a far left obviously biased think tank. Just own it. Good effort trying to slip one by everyone...
     
  19. duggers_dad

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    Just dropped in to add that neither party is remotely close to having a plan for young Americans who have no future …

     
  20. AzCatFan

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    Yes. On occasion, a tariff is appropriate. It's rare a business can sell below cost for long enough to be able to drive out the competition completely. But if a foreign company is doing just that, then yes, a tariff would be appropriate.

    Another reason would be if the foreign product is inferior and there are safety concerns. One can justify the tariffs on Chinese steel for this reason. Is Chinese steel trustworthy? It's a good question that I don't have the answer to.

    But for the most part, tariffs are bad. And tariffs on everything imported? Very, very bad idea. Look up the Panic of 1893. 1890, Congressman Wm. McKinley authored a bill to raise all tariffs by 15%. The tariffs weren't the sole cause of the Panic, which was to date, the worst recession in US history, but the higher prices on all goods didn't help and was a major factor in the recession.

    Trump recently glorified McKinley and the 1890s! Said it was a great decade of growth and revenues for the US? What a maroon! The Panic of 1893 was on par of the Great Depression!
     
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