Elon Musk: Trump must be elected in 2024 to Save our Democracy

Are you asking about legal immigrants, asylum seekers, and/or only those who entered/stayed illegally? We have obviously had a lot of immigration into Florida over the years, and many argue that Florida is one of the best states to work and live. Florida has also become more red politically with Republicans having complete control of state government. I'm not sure how to reconcile those things with Elon saying that immigration will necessarily result in Democratic takeovers.

 

America is literally the story of immigrants constantly trying to shut the door behind them. And racist dipshits like Elon and other right wingers believe that racial solidarity is a thing, when it isnt. Because some of the most anti-immigration people on the planet are people with Hispanic or Latin backgrounds.

 

You lost me at 500 million and beyond. . . LOL! Again, if you're going to propagandize, at least try a little and make it at least somewhat plausible. Given the known aging/depopulation in every continent outside of Africa and SE Asia, that is an utterly re. . . er, ridiculous statement. On the plus side, at least you didn't go all "woke" on me for the retard comment. Nice to see my Commie friends staying intellectually consistent.

 

Oh, and what groups? The Spanish/Native race, Christians who speak a European Romance Language?

America isn't Germany or France chief. The "cultural difference" is marginal at best (think replacing French culture with Spanish or Italian) and our assimilation rates are among the highest in the world, historically and currently. In fact, most of "those people" consider themselves white and will probably vote conservative within a generation.

 

Because Elon is a rabble-rousing hypocrite. Just leave it at that.

 

Yawn.

 

Again, you blow right past the 7.9 TRILLION DOLLARS of new debt that is fueling/ sustaining that farce.

An economy blown up with so much fluff, is called a bubble.

Bubbles inevitably burst.

Btw, I have yet to quote Trump.

 

Do I now?

How about you, Mr. Captain of truth?

https://www.heritage.org/debt/comme...-far-outpaces-trump-racking-the-national-debt

We can do this forever, can't we?

Just add more zeros to the end, no biggie....after all, zero's are literally nothing, right?

 

My response had to do with your defending Musk and his voting for Trump is the only way to save democracy.

I absolutely agree that we need to control the deficit. But to do so, we need an adult managing our treasure. Trump out-spent every single one of his predecessors, and his “concept of a plan” wants to cut more revenue from the US income stream.

At least Kamala has a real plan—she’ll raise taxes on the ultra-wealthy and stop the free ride that large corporations have operated under. I’ll admit, I don’t have a huge degree of personal faith that she’ll execute the plan, and even if she does bring in more revenue, she’ll spend it just as quickly. But even still, I have mountains of more trust in Kamala than I do in Trump. Trump has flat-out earned my complete and total distrust.

(Meanwhile, I would love to see a true consumption tax studied so we do away with the federal income tax, but that’s off-topic).

Circling back, there is no degree of sanity in believing that a vote for Trump is the only vote that can save democracy. The choice of candidate we may prefer, admittedly, is a different question altogether.

 

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/108636743295734643

When Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it’s electric cars that don’t drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocketships to nowhere, without which subsidies he’d be worthless, and telling me how he was a big Trump fan and Republican, I could have said, “drop to your knees and beg,” and he would have done it…

 

In terms of how much President Trump added to the debt, we previously estimated that he approved $8.4 trillion of new borrowing over ten years through various laws and executive actions. About half of this increase was COVID relief and three-quarters was bipartisan. This is certainly more than any prior President in dollar terms, and is at least more than any President in the last half century as a share of GDP (data limitations make it challenging to look back further).

Importantly, President Biden has also added substantially to the debt. Although we have not updated our previous estimate of how much debt he signed into law (or executive action), the amount is several trillion dollars in size but significantly smaller than President Trump’s $8.4 trillion. In addition, $5.6 trillion of debt has accumulated under President Biden’s term so far and that total will likely rise to $6.5 trillion by the end of his current presidential term.

Fact-Checking the 2024 State of the Union | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

 

https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/banking/national-debt-by-president/

Joe Biden
2021 – present* (as of August 8, 2024)
$6.66 trillion
23.42%
Donald Trump
2017 – 2021
$8.18 trillion
40.43%

 

From the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (which is a non-partisan group co-chaired by a Democrat, Leon Panatta, and a Republican, Mitch Daniels):

How Much Debt Did President Trump Approve?
During his four-year term in office, President Trump approved $8.4 trillion of new ten-year borrowing above prior law, or $4.8 trillion when excluding the bipartisan COVID relief bills and COVID-related executive actions. Looking at all legislation and executive actions with meaningful fiscal impact, the full amount of approved ten-year borrowing includes $8.8 trillion of deficit-increasing laws and actions offset by $443 billion of deficit-reducing actions.

So I think the truth is both our current and previous Presidents have been reckless spenders.

 

Yes, absolutely. The point I'm trying to make is that cons are historically even worse from a deficit/debt perspective than dems. Most of us remember that the only time we've had a federal budget surplus in modern history was under Clinton! W immediately squandered this surplus on huge tax cuts for the wealthy and the completely contrived and unnecessary invasion of Iraq.

 

What color is the sky in this world where overpopulation is still an issue? Do you just live on RT or something? Smart people have seen this coming for at least a decade and even the dummies are catching on now. What's your malfunction? Oh yeah, bad propaganda. How quickly I forget.

 

Ah, another nuanced and intelligent response that will be COMPLETELY LOST on MAGA Morons. Dude, he stopped at "My response. . . " and immediately began shuffling through his Hannity/Tucker talking points for a response.

 

FYI. 60-70% of that surplus was a direct result of Bush I's tax increase. You might remember that. It also saved Reagan's economic legacy and made sure he didn't get re-elected. Don't worry, I'm not defending R's here seeing as how Bush I is somewhere to the left of Marx in MAGA Moron Land. . . . but still to the right of Haley. LOL!!! Oh man, you can't make up this level of stupid.

 

Sure, I do remember GHWB's "read my lips" and subsequent capitulation on increasing taxes that costed him the election. Seems a million years ago!

 

But, as always, the devil is in the details. That's from the CBO, not me. IMO, he's the best POTUS of my lifetime and it really isn't close when you look at all the things he accomplished and managed during his term. I'd also argue our relationship with Russia would be very different if he got a second term and that financial services deregulation would have been more sane under his watch than Clinton's.

Also, he had to do that or we would have fallen into a recession. I'm pretty sure Baker (former banker) was on board with that too. Reagan's tax cuts were needed, but he probably overreached and that needed to be adjusted. Unfortunately, that fell to Bush who, as usual, did the right thing at the expense of his political career.