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I predict this will tilt the election to Trump

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator95, Sep 27, 2024.

  1. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    5 pages since I asked the question and no one has answered it.
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    That isn't what this list is. For the most part, this list is people convicted of crimes in the US and currently incarcerated. A few have been released and have no country who will take them (i.e., they aren't able to go back to their country in which they have citizenship). At that point, due to a Supreme Court ruling, ICE has to release them, as they can't permanently detain them for immigration reasons.
     
  3. citygator

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    lol 2019 was a record year for immigration. And immigration is seasonal. It always drops after the summer like it did in 2019.
     
  4. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    From the article linked in the OP:

    As of July 21, 2024, there were 662,566 noncitizens with criminal histories on ICE's national docket—13,099 criminally convicted MURDERS!' Rep. Tony Gonzalez, R-Texas, posted on social media after obtaining the data.

    Of those over 425,000 migrants convicted of crimes are roaming around not in detention, the data revealed.

    So you are saying those 425,000 all were convicted of crimes in the US. That can't be, it has been repeatedly posted that the crime rate for immigrants is lower than the rate for US citizens.

    Again, why would someone convicted of a crime in another country be admitted into the country?
     
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  5. gator95

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    LOL. Record compared to Harris/biden? No. Good try. Swing a and a miss
     
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  6. mdgator05

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    The crime rate is much lower for immigrants. But this is, again, the total number of noncitizens (both legal and illegal immigrants) who have ever been convicted of committing literally any crime at any point of time and remain not in ICE custody.

    Some of that is because the crimes for which they are convicted are extremely minor. For example, 77K of the people on that list are guilty of "traffic offenses." We don't usually deport a noncitizen for a minor traffic offense. And those folks likely aren't in prison either. It is when you get up to things like murder or rape, where you will likely be deported regardless of your immigration status, that these are mostly people that are currently in prison but not in ICE custody with a few undeportable released criminals.

    Again, that is not what this data is designed to track. There is no data on that in this data.
     
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  7. OklahomaGator

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    Criminal Noncitizen Statistics

    This is a chart complied by the US Customs and Border Protection, 8 years of history by year and offense. It makes sense to me that this is based off of the criminal history of people encountered by the Border Patrol, which are usually people crossing the border. I will admit that it is not 100% people crossing the border.

    So again, if they stop someone and they determine they have committed manslaughter, why are they admitted into the country?
     
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  8. rivergator

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    this explains it a little better.

    More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide are living outside immigration detention in the U.S., ICE says

    BTW, I asked if we know when these people came into the US. Finally got one "Nope, we don't"
     
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  9. OklahomaGator

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    I read or heard somewhere that the numbers are compiled from over 20+ years. And I don't care when they were admitted into the country, why are we allowing anyone convicted of a felony to be released into the country?
     
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  10. VAg8r1

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    Criticizing Harris and supporting the legislation are not mutually exclusive. It's possible to do both simultaneously. The same union that criticized Harris is the same one that endorsed the legislation. It's also the same one that endorsed Trump in 2020.

    Border Patrol union backs Senate immigration bill despite House GOP opposition
    The National Border Patrol Council has previously endorsed Donald Trump for president and routinely takes hard-line positions on immigration enforcement.
    "This is absolutely better than what we currently have," National Border Patrol Council President Brandon Judd told ABC News. When the new expulsion authorities are triggered, agents will work to quickly turn migrants back to Mexico. Judd said he was confident this new authority combined with more detention resources will reduce illegal crossings.

    Further, additional resources for migrants who require processing will free up agents to remain on the front line. "They're able to do the job that they were supposed to do as far as protecting the American people and I think that they would feel much better about the job with this bill," Judd said.

    Edit: A certain poster thinks that the analysis of the legislation by the head of the Border Patrol Agents union is funny. Who would have thought.
     
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  11. rivergator

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    they may be local or state jails.

    Otherwise, i don't have a clue.
     
  12. mdgator05

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    They aren't generally. Again, you are mixing two very different databases. The data from ICE is not about people encountered on the border. It is about all noncitizens who are currently in the US, including those incarcerated but not in ICE custody. The CBP arrest data does not have any data about anybody being released into the country.
     
  13. mdgator05

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    It is a pretty small group that are released with prior felony convictions. As pointed out in the earlier articles, they are mostly just people who can't be deported and can no longer be legally detained, as they completed their sentence in the US and their country (or countries) of citizenship won't accept them. ICE can't detain them indefinitely for immigration reasons (due to a Supreme Court ruling). So they have no choice but to release this pretty small group.
     
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  14. gatordavisl

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    I answered it.

     
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    I'll answer the question. These types of things happen when leadership has a win at all costs agenda. In their minds, the ends justified the means, even if that meant cold-blooded undocumented migrant murderers being released on our streets. The ends being securing perpetual power for themselves by importing their own voting bloc.
     
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  16. okeechobee

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    Yet trump makes far worse comments on a regular basis and maga folks eat it up.
     
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  18. gatordavisl

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    Imagine typing such a thing and being serious.

    [​IMG]
     
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  19. citygator

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    Your inability to debate the facts are amusing but tiresome. Trump's gaslighting around his record, which was worse than Obama's, is a statistical fact. After covid the immigration that stopped during covid restarted and caught up. It has now dropped below Trump's numbers. The drivers of immigration are external factors, impacted by what is happening in South American countries and what we are doing in their countries to abate it. Impotent threats did nothing under Trump and impotent threats from a second administration would result in the same.
     
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  20. gator95

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    Do you just make stuff up and think no one will check your BS claims? Dropped below trump's numbers? No trump fan but that is just a blatant lie. I'd say do better but we both know that isn't happening.

    Weekly U.S.-Mexico Border Update: August migration, 2024 campaign and the border, Border Patrol oversight, Texas - WOLA

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    Migrant encounters at the U.S.-Mexico border hit a record high at the end of 2023

    Border crossing encounters U.S. 1990-2023 | Statista

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