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Iran Wants to Talk

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Sep 23, 2024.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    Ready to reopen nuclear negotiations. Hopefully this time it is a hard-line negotiation, I think they know they have no leverage after Israel took a dump in their front yard and they couldn't do anything about it.

    bne IntelliNews - Iran willing to restart nuclear talks on UNGA sidelines

    Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi said on September 23 that Tehran is looking to start a new round of negotiations on the nuclear issue during the United Nations General Assembly if the other parties are ready.

    Several rounds of indirect negotiations were held between Iran and the US to restore the 2015 nuclear, which unravelled after Donald Trump pulled out and reimposed harsh sanctions on the country. Talks finally reached an impasse and officially have been stalled for about two years, but recent leaks suggest talks restarted with the election Reformist Masoud Pezeshkian.

    Araqchi, who is in New York for the 79th UN General Assembly, said in an interview that Tehran is willing to kickstart the negotiations.

    He said there had been a “general declaration of readiness” from the other side (the US), but the resumption of the talks is now more complicated than before, given the current international situation about the situation in Israel, Gaza and Lebanon.
     
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  2. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    sorry, wrong forum, mods please move
     
  3. ajoseph

    ajoseph Premium Member

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    I saw that. The timing is, well, interesting. Maybe there’s a signal that their economy can no longer stay in its proxy war footing. Maybe the sanctions have started to work, and maybe their military defeats are enough to make them less aggressive. Who knows.
     
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  4. Trickster

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    It's a positive signal.
     
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  5. GatorFanCF

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    Could be. Maybe they fear the Israelis more than DJT, if elected. In all likelihood a Democrat POTUS will keep the same policies in place; so, Israel knows they will have to take care of business on their own. They took care of Hamas, now focusing on Hezbollah....who is next?
     
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  6. l_boy

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    I really don’t know how to view the issue. I supported the original nuclear deal that Obama admin negotiated given the information that was given. At this point I don’t know if it is better to reduce irans nuclear path at the expense of indirectly funding their proxy wars.
     
  7. exiledgator

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    Yeah, that's my initial read: Send us money - we won't enrich uranium! We promise.
     
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  8. chemgator

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    I don't trust Iran, as long as it is essentially a theocracy with an ayatollah in charge behind the scenes. They need to demonstrate a commitment to not supplying weapons to terrorist organizations around the middle east (Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, and others), not supporting Russia (or China) with weapons and ammunition, and not making nuclear weapons, with full inspections of their nuclear sites. They have a lot of work to do before they can be a trustworthy nation.
     
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  9. G8trGr8t

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    they played Obama. as good as he was at some things, he made some disastrous decisions on the ME by making the deal with Iran, centralizing all Iraqi aid through Baghdad, and by encouraging the Arab spring and then tucking tail and running when Assad went off. Obama changed the face of Europe by setting Iraq and Syria on fire which caused so much migration. The moment we quit spreading funding between the Sunni and Shia in Iraq, the fuse was lit there and when he let Assad use chemical weapons on the dissidents in Syria, that cake was baked too.
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    Iran will be new djt hero, they built a wall

    Iran builds 10 kilometer border wall along Afghanistan in major development (msn.com)

    The Iranian military announced thatit has completed its construction of a 10-kilometer wall along its eastern border with Afghanistan, with plans for an additional 50 kilometers, according to state media outlets.

    Brigadier Nozer Nemati, the deputy commander of the Iranian Ground Forces, said the Iranian government had built over 10 kilometers of the concrete wall - the main entry point of migrants - in order to strengthen security and prevent human trafficking.
     
  11. G8trGr8t

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    Iranian president says his regime hasn't sent missiles to Russia and doesn't approve of Russian war on Ukraine. That drought in Iran, the sanctions, and pending food shortages must have him really worried the way he is sucking up to the west right now.

    talking the talk, will he walk the walk? quit sending weapons to Russia and the Houthi's and Hezbollah? allow unfettered UN inspections? Show me...

    'Never approved': President of Iran makes cynical statement about Russia's war against Ukraine (msn.com)

    Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian stated that his country allegedly never approved of Russia's aggression against Ukraine. He also denied supplying missiles to Russia, The Guardian reports.

    The head of the Iranian state, speaking to reporters at the UN General Assembly, reiterated that his country allegedly has not supplied ballistic missiles to Russia since the beginning of his presidency. However, such supplies may have occurred earlier.

    "We are willing to sit down with the Europeans and the Americans to have a dialogue and negotiations. We have never approved of Russian aggression against Ukrainian territory," Pezeshkian added.
     
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  12. GatorJMDZ

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    More nonsense. Take care of business on their own? How do you even type crap like that?
     
  13. l_boy

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    My take is a little more nuanced than that.

    As to the nuclear deal at the time it was said, by all sides, that the number one foreign policy threat was Iran going nuclear. If that was the case, it would be logical to take some sacrifices to keep them from getting there. By all accounts it was working, but it did give Iran more money for misadventures which was deemed the lesser of 2 evils. Then Trump reversed course negating much of the benefits of the deal.

    At the time opponents said we needed “a better deal”, as if we were the only party at the negotiating table. I don’t have any reason to believe there was a better deal to be had.

    Would we have been better off with no deal and doing what Trump did, starving them of funds? That certainly helped deter Iran militarily but not as much on the nuclear side.

    As to Arab spring Obama as well as many people were naive - but other than some positive rhetoric was there anything we should have done differently? Backing Mubarak against a democratic revolution would have been a bad look.

    As to Iraq, we got out too fast, but people forget Iraq govt wanted us out and wouldn’t renew status of forces agreement protecting our troops. Only after ISIS grew did they welcome us back.

    As to Syria, I’m not sure there was an alternative play. There were really no “moderates” to back.
     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    Iran wasn't ever intending to honor the terms of the deal. The requirements and penalties were not sufficient. O sent a wet behind the ears kid in early 30's to cut a deal with the hardcore Iranians. Foolish at best.

    Iraq was stabilizing when we were funding all sides. 0 decided to centralize all aid through Baghdad and that shut the sunni out and it all flared up again.
    If 0 wasn't ready to take Assad out he never should have encouraged the rebellion. He said fight and then ran and hid when Assad pissed on his red line and left the kurds to be slaughtered.

    Isis stepped into the voids that 0 created by his own actions and choices in Iraq and Syria.
     
  15. ajoseph

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    I don’t think our election has anything to do with anything regarding Iran’s current policy.
     
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  16. tilly

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    Well Israel has basically forced their enemies to operate from landlines and dial up internet at this point. Hard to play hardball from a phone or computer plugged into a wall. ;)
     
  17. ajoseph

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    It’s a bit gory to process, but I read the other day the following quip: Think about this—the leaders of Hezbollah today are the people who were not trusted enough or good enough to hold a communications device yesterday.
     
  18. l_boy

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    While there is a lot correct in your assessment it seems like it ignores the undesirability of the alternatives in each of those cases.
     
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  19. archigator_96

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    No. This is a tactic to buy some time to get their finances in order and when we lessen the pressure and they can build up, right back to where they started.
    They care more about their ideology than their people, and because of that they will never stop.
     
  20. CHFG8R

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    Just remember, like the CCP, Putin, etc., their first and only real priority is to stay in power. Everything else - including their "religion" - comes a distant second. It may be a sign of weakness or that something internal is brewing that we don't know about.
     
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