Another example of MAGA NOT being conservative at all. Again, from my 5 years of living in South Florida, the Haitians I met (or just saw) were the 180* opposite of these kinds of stereotypes. Just quiet, keep-your-head-down workaholics . . . who did all the worst jobs (probably 2 of them) in town and never complained.
so this whole thing started from two complaints that were both subsequently withdrawn when the missing pets were found. And the town doesn't want djt to show up as they know they will get stuck with the security bill and their resources are stretched far enough Springfield’s GOP Mayor Issues Stark Warning to Trump After His Lies | The New Republic The mayor of Springfield, Ohio, doesn’t want Donald Trump anywhere near the town. At a news conference Tuesday, Mayor Rob Rue said that a visit from the former president and convicted felon would be too much for local authorities to handle as they grapple with the fallout from false rumors about Haitian immigrants capturing and eatings pets, ducks, and geese. “It would be an extreme strain on our resources. So it’d be fine with me if they decided not to make that visit,” Mayor Rob Rue said, commenting on a report that Trump was planning to visit the town in the near future. Even Ohio’s governor, Mike DeWine, who visited Springfield Tuesday, said that while a campaign visit from a former president is “generally very, very welcomed,” he had misgivings about a possible Trump visit. “I have to state the reality, though, that resources are really, really stretched here,” DeWine said. Neither Trump nor his running mate, Ohio Senator J.D. Vance, have spoken to DeWine about visiting the town, he said.
If Trump insists on going to Springfield after that, make him prepay for everything or all he gets is Barney Fife holding a "STOP/SLOW" sign.
As a first generation Haitian American born here to immigrant parents, thank you for the kind words about Haitians. What you said is very true. There’s another side to it, though. A lot of us aren’t just the “do the worst jobs” type. Pretty much every Haitian I know is a professional. My whole family is like that for the most part. Just in my immediate family my dad was an Electrical Engineer with a masters degree, mom was an RN with a bachelors, my sister is an OB GYN and also has a Yale MBA, and I have an MBA. Most of my aunts and uncles have degrees. My first cousins are doctors, lawyers, CPAs, dentists, etc… So, yes many Haitians are the hard working blue-collar types as you describe, but a lot of them are highly educated professionals too. You aren’t wrong, but I just wanted to share another side of it.
Sorry you've had to deal with the overt bigotry here and from the trump campaign. Small people, one and all.
I think if we continue to examine the breadth of hopes, aspirations and accomplishments of Haitians in America, we may establish that Haitians are, gasp..., typical people. How refreshing would that be?!
Exactly. Solid, solid good people. The only negative to being a Haitian is the fact that they had the longest stretch of a corrupt and inept government that had made it impossible for the average Haitian to have a great life in Haiti.
Appreciate it. It doesn’t bother me, though. It’s an old insult that I’ve heard since I was a kid that we eat cats and dogs. Heard it so much in immune to it. I’m actually glad they are doing this because many Haitians are Republican voters because they are extremely devout conservative values Catholics. I don’t think that Republicans understand that. They are actually alienating their own supporters, because Haitians are not in the tank for Democrats and many of them hate the Clintons and dislike Obama. I know a few who have changed sides to not voting for Trump based off these latest attacks. In Florida, that could be important.
Literally from the beginning of the revolution. Dan Carlin did a podcast on slavery and went into real detail on the Haitian Revolution. To say is was a shitshow from the beginning would be a severe understatement. Just the granular level of racism was mind boggling, with a term for every kind of genetic mix and to a level where it's just mindboggling. For instance. If you're from France, there's a term for that. If you were born in Haiti, but your parents are French, there's a term for that. There are multiple terms depending on how much white or black DNA you have. There were terms for things I can't even remember. Black slave owners vs. White Slave owners and free people against both. One of those things where you can say, yeah, maybe staying a colony would have been better. Maybe it would be more like the DR if that happened.
The easily refuted comments about cat and dogs are one thing, but rhetoric claiming Haitian immigrants are "savages" (this thread) or "animals" (trump) are another. I made a similar point to a friend last night regarding the self defeating rhetoric we are seeing. I think trump trying to make race a major campaign issue is a sign of desperation and likely to fail. This failure may be good for the Harris campaign but we all lose in the long run. Another example trump f**g up our future, much like undermining confidence in our election process. It is all so 1960s.
Interesting about the terms. Lost in the Haitian Revolution’s incredible victory is the aftermath. Few countries were willing to recognize the independence of Haiti (including, and perhaps at the forefront, the United States). This caused a huge strain in the new Haiti’s economy, and few countries were willing to trade with Haiti. Haiti was ultimately forced to negotiate a treaty with its tormentor, France, to achieve recognition. The French, who sent warships to Haiti blockading the island, demanded massive reparations in the form of cash (paid over 70 years) and huge discounts on French tariffs), which made the repayment excruciatingly difficult. Haiti has effectively been broke since its inception, which was made even worse through perpetual governmental graft and incompetence.
Thanks for writing this. I’ve had to write similar a few times in the past and didn’t feel like doing it yet again.
Is this a more factual headline for the situation in Springfield: "White people are falsely accusing legal immigrants of eating their cats" If true, who's the baddy here?
Again just not true. I took a break from these thread for a few days to relax, as any topics around the Haitians get me fired really up bad. They made my life miserable for several years and I hate a lot of them. But just another example that happened this week. I work in finance now and one of my colleagues had a Haitian on their line complaining about their direct deposit/EFT and needing to set it up again. Literally my colleague was on the line with this Haitian for 58 minutes because the Haitian refused to follow her steps and just go in and put in their bank account information. Again this is bank information, we are absolutely under no circumstances (unless it's in mail form with a notary signature) allowed to enter bank information on behalf of someone over the phone. The Haitian demanded she do it for him. And we've had other Haitians do it too. This is a uniquely Haitian thing. We don't have near this problem with native born citizens (white, black, Hispanic, anyone) or with other ethnic groups that have immigrated here. So many times the Haitians simply don't want to lift a finger to do basic things. Going back to this situation, she got him transferred to me where I flat out told him "You are entering it yourself, you've been given instructions, no one here is entering it for you. Unless you have any additional questions I will consider this call to be finished and will be ending the call." Of course I could hear the Haitian cussing when I ended the call. Disregard the fact that if he had just followed my colleagues instructions, they would've had it done in 10 minutes. But no they wasted 58 minutes of their time and our time. And again it's not the first time it's happened with a Haitian. So again don't say I don't know the situation when I have interacted directly with many Haitians. Am I saying they are all like that? That they are all rude and lazy? No, there are of course plenty of exceptions. But in my experience those are the exceptions and not the majority. The majority I've interacted with over many years are not grateful, are lazy, do not want to assimilate into the U.S. culture or even try to learn English and expect almost everything to be done for them. Most Haitians are simply incompatible with U.S. culture. And yes those Haitians will turn towns they go to in mass in the U.S. into the same third world culture they were trying to escape in Haiti. Why they would want to turn it into what they were trying to escape dumbfounds me, but they do. Just go to places in Florida like Winter Haven and Haines City in Polk County. Parts of those cities look no different than what you would see in Port-Au-Prince. We need to send the Haitians back and try to help them take control of their country. I would completely be okay with the U.N. and NATO taking complete administrative control of Haiti to stabilize it. But against Haitians don't belong in the U.S. Their culture is simply too incompatible with U.S. culture.
I certainly know more Haitians than you do, being a Haitian American, myself. There are some lazy and ungrateful people in any population, but I don't think Haitians are uniquely more rude, lazy, or ungrateful than other people. You must have just had bad luck.
Sorry but I think you are wrong. I have interacted with several thousand Haitians over many years. I am very confident I know and have interacted with more Haitians than you. They are definitely more uniquely rude. There is even a way they speak (very loud, very harsh and very direct) that just comes off as more innately rude. If I had one or two bad interactions with Haitians I would be inclined to toss it up to simple bad luck. I've had too many bad interactions with Haitians and seen too many rude and/or lazy Haitians for it to even remotely be bad luck. It's part of the culture. I do think Haitians are more rude, lazy and ungrateful than other immigrant groups. Haitians would leave the U.S. for Canada in a second if they could make more money there. They have no allegiance to the U.S. like native born citizens do. And they definitely assimilate far slower and far less than many other ethnic groups do that immigrate here. They have no skin in the game. What's even worse is even the ones who do work and work hard (not just doing the bare minimum like many I saw did when I was a manager for a Hospitality/Tourism company) are an economic drain on the U.S. The Haitians take the money they make and after paying for their rent and food all the remaining money goes back to Haiti. All that money leaves the U.S. and the local economy, hurting the local economy significantly. If the Haitians were replaced with native born citizens, that money stays for the most part in the local economy.
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