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Global warming forecasts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ATLGATORFAN, Sep 6, 2024.

  1. ATLGATORFAN

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    Gotta love this. We are told the planet is getting hotter and will usher in more frequent storms. So what happens ? Maybe, Just maybe, spending trillions now may not be the smartest move to prevent something that “doesn’t pan out “


    some of my favorite quotes from the CNN article:

    “Despite ideal conditions that fueled pre-season predictions of upwards of 20 named storms, the immediate prospects for one are low, and none have formed in the Atlantic since Ernesto in mid-August a streak unmatched in 56 years.”

    “Hurricane forecasters, including Klotzbach, were predicting the calendar flip from August to September would revive the season. Many widely used forecast models signaled the same thing. It didn’t pan out.

    Just something to consider when you hear the term ‘all the experts agree’ , ‘it’s settled science” or my favorite ‘we have to do something ‘

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/weather/hurricane-season-atlantic-storms-climate/index.html
     
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  2. WestCoastGator

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  5. Trickster

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    Nothing like politicizing the future of the planet, especially when those doing it ignore meteorology in general and, in particular, graphs showing the UNMISTAKABLE AND DRAMATIC increase in global warming since the advent of the industrial revolution. It's completely irresponsible.
     

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  6. dangolegators

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    So you figure this proves that global warming isn't happening?
     
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  7. ATLGATORFAN

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    . The planet gets colder and warmer. The difference is I don’t believe transferring trillions for the hope of changing the average global temperature a half a degree 30 Years from now makes sense. Even the most ‘optimistic’ Believe all The proposals change the temperature by less than a degree 3 decades out. Maybe. Best case

    ps- wouldn’t rain in desert be a good thing ? Could it open the land to host future populations where they couldn’t previously live
     
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  8. mdgator05

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    So is your argument that producing large amounts of CO2 and pumping it into the atmosphere doesn't affect climate? Is that because CO2 doesn't cause warming? Is it because we don't produce or put CO2 into the atmosphere? I am interested in where you are doubting the mechanism.
     
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  9. ETGator1

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    Global warming? LOL! I haven't seen that phrase much since it originated in the early 70s.

    We've gone from global warming, to global cooling, to climate change, and now back to global cooling.

    I remember seeing a global warming poster on a professor's door back in the early 70s. It said we have met the enemy and the enemy is us. It had a picture of a pig rolling in the mud.

    People have been falling for these hoaxes for over 60 years now. I'm not sure when our next 10 years of survival for Earth runs out. There have been about 5 or so of these end of the world predictions and none have ever been true.

    Someday when the end of the world comes, these climate hoaxers will finally be right.
     
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  10. mdgator05

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    You realize that the Earth has been warming not cooling for decades now, right? I don't think anybody other than some religious folks are predicting the actual end of the world. Just a lot of negative consequences over time.
     
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  11. ETGator1

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    If so, it is natural, not man made.
     
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  12. mdgator05

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    Wow, given that you didn't even know that it was true, that is a surprising amount of confidence. On what empirical or theoretical basis is this predicated?
     
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    Lots of BS with no factual basis.
     
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  14. mdgator05

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    Did you understand the question? Because that answer to the question would basically insult your own position...
     
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  16. dangolegators

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    Right, because there can only ever be one cause for something.
     
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    It's the same cause, but it's how the cause came about that's being discussed as different from the past.

    The current collapses when melting freshwater from northern ice sheets infiltrates it and causes a lack of salinity.

    The debate going on now is whether this time it's natural or not. In the past it was the rise of CO2 in the atmosphere from major volcanic acrivity. This time it's argued to be the sudden and sharp rise in CO2 from the industrial revolution since we haven't had that rise in volcanic activity.
     
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  18. gatorpa

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    Pfft, you’re reading way too much in my post.

    I totally get what you’re are saying. Understanding prior cause and effect can help understand current causes.

    Complex systems have multiple factors giving rise to change.
     
  19. gatorpa

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    I may have missed it in the article, did they say that’s what they thought the cause was in the distant past?

    Not arguing generally curious.