Hamas Murdered 6 Hostages in Rafah as IDF Approached

One of your more "intellectually" dishonest posts. That's not even close to what ACF said and you damn well know it. Bringing his family into it is decidedly a low character move on your part.

 

Negotiating a cease fire is not a surrender. And more and more Israelis are realizing victory isn't possible. Terrorists like Hamas are hydras. Kill one, and two more pop up to take his place.

And again, if a military victory was possible over Palestinian terrorists, why hasn't Israel achieved it yet?

The victory Netanyahu and you seek is impossible. 60% of Israelis have accepted this fact. So, if a lasting peace isn't possible, the next best thing is a temporary peace with a return of the hostages. You call this surrender? I call it pragmatism.

Or, Israel can continue the bombing, creating a new generation of Hamas in the process, and the chance of ac safe return of the hostages significantly decreases.

 

I stopped replying to you during the Covid threads because you literally wouldn’t admit that you were wrong on. Lockdowns, school closures, masks, natural immunity and child vaccinations. I tried numerous times to get you to admit you were wrong and you wouldn’t. So I choose to stop replying to anything you posted. I’ve replied to some of your ridiculous posts but usually just laugh at your posts because why would I have a discussion with someone who literally won’t admit when they are wrong. This will be my last reply to you until you do that.

So now we are relying on a small poll to say let’s blame Israel? What a joke.

 

Why do you use words that essentially make you a liar?

 

I admitted I was wrong on Natural Immunity when the data came out showing NI was better than vaccine alone. The data also showed hybrid immunity was better than NI alone, giving people no excuse not to get vaccinated. Unless, for some reason, they didn't want the best protection?

Data also drove my position on this line masking and school closures. Masks were problematic because how many people wore them properly 100% of the time? Hard to guess. School closures? I linked plenty of scientific studies showing the efficacy.

Data also drives my position on Israel. I ask again. If Israel has been fighting Palestinian terror groups for about 60 years without a complete military victory, what makes the current skirmish different that would allow Israel a victory this time?

Once you realize a military victory isn't possible, you begin to weigh your next best options. And to the majority of Israelis, who tire of endless war, that option is a cease fire, a temporary peace, and safe return of the hostages.

The fact Netanyahu continues to bomb is one of the issues preventing a possible cease fire agreement. Therfore, Israel shares some of the blame. So does Hamas, who owns the lionshare of the blame, but to pretend Israel is lily white? The data doesn't support this. Neither does now, a majority of Israelis and Jews around the globe.

 

And the post above is why that poster only deserves to be laughed at and not taken seriously. Still won't admit he was wrong. So, I will continue to just laugh and ignore the poster since he doesn't actually want to have a serious conversation.

 

So still no response if Israelis who oppose Netanyahu's actions are anti-semites? That has nothing to do with AZ, lockdowns, or masking - it's a valid question based on your statement here.

 

You continue to laugh and ignore. I know it's because it's not possible for you to argue the facts. The best you can do is call anyone who disagrees with you an idiot or antisemite. Even Israelis who live with the reality of war on a daily basis.

 

I already answered that. They are being idiots if they think this is Israel's fault that the 6 hostages were killed. How many times has Israel offered a cease fire to only have it rejected by the terrorists. And frankly why isn't the US demanding the US hostages be released? Why isn't Biden/Harris demanding they are released? How about threating sanctions to anyone who is supporting Hamas? Do I want US troops on the ground? No, but do I think the US could be more forceful in pushing the terrorists to release the hostages? Yes.

 

What you and ET fail to understand is this conflict is nothing new. It's the same battle that's been going on for generations. And all Israel is accomplishing now is assuring the conflict continues to go on for future generations.

Israel has the majority of the weapons. If Netanyahu was serious about a ceasefire, how about actually declaring a 72-hour stop so both sides can meet to discuss a longer ceasefire? But not only has that not happened, Netanyahu seems to be equal in not wanting to end the conflict as Hamas. It takes two to tango, and if neither side wants peace, it's not going to happen.

As for the US, it's complicated. Iran has been the main supporter of Hamas, and how many times since 1979 has the US sanctioned Iran? How many times has it been effective? There's also domestic pressure here at home to stop supplying Israel with weapons, which we should not do. At the same time, those weapons have gone on to kill plenty of Palestinian civilians. So our hands aren't completely clean either.

In the end, it still boils down to the question. If Israel couldn't defeat Hamas 1.0 (the PLO) with a military victory, what makes anyone think they can defeat Hamas 2.0 this time? Once you realize there is no endgame where you have complete victory, it's time to think about next best option. Netanyahu isn't thinking this way. To what end?

 

Can't fix stupid...

 

Look in the mirror next time you write this. And think about the now 60% of Israelis who now agree with me, and not you.

You think Israeli is 100% in the right? And that war is winnable? Delusional. Even more delusional is Israel can win and set up a puppet government that is pro-Israel and the Palestinians will accept this peacefully.

Insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been going on for generations. Both sides are doing the same things. Please explain how this time, the results will be different?

 

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, where people don't think that most Israelis are idiots, it appears to be that Netanyahu tossed a bunch of late conditions onto a deal back in July so that the far-right of his coalition didn't topple him and make him face corruption charges. 3 of the 6 murdered hostages would have been home with this agreement if he had not done this. This is why most Israelis are furious right now. Not because they are mostly idiots.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/middleeast/netanyahu-derailed-hostage-deal-in-july-intl/index.html

 

I see you glossed over this part...


The Israeli Prime Minister’s Office in August confirmed to CNN the existence of the document but denied that it added “new conditions to the May 27 proposal.” The statement came in response to a report by the same Israeli correspondent who wrote the Yedioth Ahronoth report, Ronen Bergman, this time in The New York Times.

 

I guess you missed the part where the newspaper obtained the document in full, which showed the added conditions. The point of that line is that Netanyahi wasn't telling the truth.

 

The pressure on Netanyahu to end the war is growing. Great Britain has stopped selling certain arms to Israel because GB believes the weapons may be used to break Geneva Convention rules. Tens of thousands of Israelis are protesting demanding a ceasefire and return of the hostages, and in a direct question to President Biden whether or not Netanyahu is doing enough to end the war, Biden responded with a simple, "No."

But what do the leaders of the UK and USA, and tens of thousands of Israelis know? They are all idiots and anti-semites! The poster who likes to post, "can't fix stupid," really needs to look in the mirror next time he wants to type that and instead, try some introspection as to why all these people disagree with him. And maybe, instead of attacking posters ad hominem, he should try a cogent argument supporting his own position and explaining why those that oppose him are wrong...if he can.

 

That's quite the compliment to ET1.