Undocumented illegal immigrants are the least likely to commit a crime?

It is largely a semantic debate. A civil offense still means you're doing something illegal. While it's not classified as a "crime," which involves an act punishable by the state through criminal penalties like imprisonment, a civil offense can still lead to legal consequences enforced by the state, such as fines or court orders. So, breaking a civil law is indeed doing something illegal, even though it doesn't carry the same type of punishment as a criminal offense.

So breaking a criminal law is a crime. Breaking a civil law is not. Semantics.

edit: if you make a mistake on your taxes, you may have committed a civil offense and have to pay penalties. If you willfully evade taxes, you have committed a crime and may be prosecuted. Making a mistake on your taxes doesn't make you a criminal.

 

Sactuary City: Police Sources Say Illegals Make Up 75% of Arrests a8n Midtown NYC

The Gateway Pundit

 

This is just a small piece of the overall puzzle though. If were taking the headline at face value, this is only Midtown in NYC. How do those numbers merge with the rest of the country?

 

I agree with you and I fully get why they do this. But it seems the distinction would have to be "outside of being here illegally, illegal immigrants commit less crimes."

 

Appreciate the explanation. I feel like my distinction stands. If you're here illegally, you're commiting something illegal in perpetuity. It may not be super egregious to some, but it still exists.

 

No to mention his link doesn't even go to an actual article.

 

Trump doing better on immigration than Harris with Hispanic voters. Tells you all you need to know:

Trump outperforming 2020 support among Hispanics, who prefer him on immigration, poll shows

 

You would think someone in the MSM would research that subject and publish the findings. Maybe research has been done and results weren’t what was desired so they were not published.

I think the problem with generating any meaningful analysis on this topic is …. the calculation of any crime rate requires not only the number of crimes committed by a certain population, but also an accurate number of the total for the population being analyzed. RE illegal immigrant crime rates, who really has an accurate number for illegals living in the US. Furthermore, who really knows how many crimes are committed by illegals? I believe a significant portion of crimes in the illegal community, ie illegal-on-illegal crimes, are not reported for fear of deportation. Additionally, there are a number of large sanctuary cities who quite likely will not track or share any information they might have regarding crimes committed by illegals.

 

NYC, being a sanctuary city, doesn't record the immigration status of anyone. But again, multiple studies have been done, multiple states, and all have come to the same conclusion. When it comes to serious, felony crime, immigrants commit less than citizens. And undocumented less than those here with legal paperwork to be here.

I also linked previously the NYPD statistics showing crime in all 5 Boroughs being down YOY. And the fact that city-wide, 36% of the city's population is immigrant born. There is also a citizen population that are children of these immigrants too, that in certain precincts of NYC, it may look like the courts of being filled with immigrants. We don't know, because the source stating 75% of Midtown courts are made up of immigrants is anonymous, and no data backing up the claim has been released.

 

I agree it is illegal. But being here unlawfully is not a crime.

For example:

"Unlawful Presence Is Not a Crime
Some may assume that all immigrants who are in the United States without legal status must have committed improper entry. This simply isn't the case. Many foreign nationals legally enter the country on a valid work or travel visa, but fail to exit before their visa expires for a variety of reasons.

But mere unlawful presence in the country is not a crime. It is a violation of federal immigration law to remain in the country without legal authorization, but this violation is punishable by civil penalties, not criminal. Chief among these civil penalties is deportation or removal, where an unlawful resident may be detained and removed from the country. Unlawful presence can also have negative consequences for a resident who may seek to gain re-entry into the United States, or permanent residency."

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/...n-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence/

 

This is only partially correct. In many states, simple speeding or jaywalking is not a misdemeanor, but rather an infraction. Even in states where it’s a minor misdemeanor, it typically does not result in jail time for the first offense.

Under federal law, the first instance of illegal entry can result in up to 18 months of jail time.

 

The ACLU criticizes the use of inappropriate terms to describe undocumented immigrants and says it makes debate on the subject more difficult. Yet in this very document, they lump anyone who opposes the current state of affairs as being “anti-immigrant.”

There are people who are definitely anti-immigrant. However, they lump into that term others who are not anti-immigrant, but want a controlled border and an orderly system for allowing people into the country.

 

I love that the thread title is 100% accurate. Talk about faux outrage.

 

One thing that gets lost in any discussion on the crime rates of undocumented immigrants versus citizens is that even if the rate for undocumented immigrants is less, the crimes still occur. If there were no undocumented immigrants, then those crimes would not be committed.

We can debate whether or not the risk of those crimes is acceptable in order to allow people who are undocumented to stay. However, I doubt the family of a murder victim killed by someone who entered the country illegally, takes comfort in the fact that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate then citizens.

 

The simple fact is anyone trying to say either way is full of crap because we don’t have anything close to accurate data on this issue. BUT, the simple fact that any crime by an illegal couldve been prevented if we had a secure border and only let in vetted people into our country.

 

We can solve the whole crime problem by deporting the citizens as well! ;-)

 

I am no expert on seeking asylum, but I believe that the law has been that if you enter the U.S. from Mexico between ports of entry seeking asylum and you fill out an application for asylum upon entry, you have not broken any laws. Biden issued an executive order changing that earlier this year, so he might have broken the law. I don’t know whether his executive order has been challenged in court.

 

That’s very true. However, citizens have an inherent right to be here. No one has an inherent right to enter the country illegally. Even if our laws give them the right to seek asylum, that right is not inherent. That is granted through the generosity of our laws, which can be changed at any time.

 

You followed up the bolded claim with an inaccurate claim. Couldn't even make it through one sentence after your shot across the bow.