Undocumented illegal immigrants are the least likely to commit a crime?

A favored progressive talking point, but as with most progressive talking points, they base their findings on incomplete data. The last I researched this, Texas was the only state that actually tracks a defendants immigration status when they enter their criminal system. Many prisons across the country do not track whether an inmate is a citizen. And of course the obvious issue being it's a lot easier to evade prosecution of a crime when you are living off the grid, no valid ID or social to track where you work and live. There is a steep amount of identity theft in areas close to the border. I'd imagine very few of those perps are actually apprehended.

This of course is not to say all illegal immigrants are bad people. I'm sure most of them just want a better life for their families and won't be involved in criminal activity. But the ones who are involved with crime are very difficult to track down and their crimes are quite gruesome in some cases.

 

Have you ever driven over the speed limit, j walked, or accidently walked out of a store and forgot to pay for a small item? If you said yes, then you are guilty of a misdemeanor crime akin to entering the country illegally or overstaying a visa. Which are the crimes undocumented immigrants are guilty of.

Now, when it comes to felony crime? Undocumented immigrants commit much less than citizens. Plenty of evidence already posted.

And new arrivals? They are often hesitant to cooperate with law enforcement. Police back where they came from is often corrupt, and the immigrants may be worried about being deported. This is why sanctuary cities exist. To help gain the trust of the local immigrant community.

 

Most new immigrant communities include immigrants with legal status and undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants are reluctant to report crimes even when they're the victims of crimes because they don't want to risk deportation.

 

Look. Siding with @Gator515151 isn't really on my list of things I do. But both those things you just said means someone committed a crime. If someone is here illegally they committed a crime.

If someone wanted to parse "a crime outside of being here illegally", sure, the stats back that up.

 

This seems to fly in the face of what the OP said.

Exclusive | Migrants flooding NYC’s justice system -- making up '75% of arrests in Midtown' -- as ‘pathetic’ sanctuary city laws handcuff cops

 

Your article has estimates from unnamed sources and claims the city isn't publishing accurate data! Well, the released data in NYC matches that released around the country. No increase in crime with increase in immigration. Unless, of course, you want to believe in giant conspiracies...

 

The only people who believe illegals are committing a lower amount of crimes in the US are either the far left or illegals lol.

 

Ive always advocated for immigrants to have an easy path to citizenship if they are already here and not criminals. Its true, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes. Sure there is the sticky situation that they came here illegally, but the majority of them are hard working good people. My wife is Cuban and they have a good deal as we already know but they are some of the hardest working people I know. Same goes for most South Americans that come here..

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

 

Or people who believe experts who do tons of research that all have the same conclusion that immigrants commit less crime. But what do experts know?

 

I like to post this in these types of threads. They are a vital part of this country. Typical Americans don't want to do the grueling jobs they do.

 

Exclusive | Migrants flooding NYC’s justice system -- making up '75% of arrests in Midtown' -- as ‘pathetic’ sanctuary city laws handcuff cops (nypost.com)

Jefferson Maldenado, a 31-year-old migrant from Ecuador, has been arrested in New York City five times since arriving in the US earlier this year.

Across New York, recently arrived migrants are flooding the criminal-justice system — at far higher rates than public officials have acknowledged.

Police sources shared with The Post a staggering estimate that as many as 75% of the people they’ve been arresting in Midtown Manhattan in recent months for crimes like assault, robbery and domestic violence are migrants. In parts of Queens, the figure is more than 60%, sources there estimate.

On any given day, Big Apple criminal court dockets are packed with asylum seekers who have run afoul of the law.

 

^^^^

I would wonder how many of these above are either young males who dont have a family and/or repeat offenders.

 

What "sources?" Because according to the NYPD, crime overall is falling in all 5 Boroughs.

Data also shows there has been no immigrant caused crime wave. And a few high profile cases does not represent any overall increase in immigrant caused crime.

Now I'm sure NYC has its share of immigrants committing crime. But when 36% of NYC residents are foreign born, statistically, some will be bad apples and do bad things. But 75% of criminals being immigrants? Give me more than unnamed sources with zero data backing up the claim.

 

I'm confused. Is it bad to commit crimes? Because if so, the Republican Presidential candidate was convicted of 34 felony offenses by a jury of his peers. I guess that means y'all won't be voting for him.

P.S. She's mostly right. Immigrants are less likely to commit real crimes (i.e., not status-based offenses) than American citizens. Although, I believe immigrants with status are the least likely to commit a crime followed by undocumented immigrants followed by American citizens. All of this is supported by empirical evidence.

 

The issue with this argument is that American citizens commit crimes on the regular too, but they either aren't caught or the law isn't strictly enforced. That's why these studies don't concern themselves with that line of argument. It would render the study less than useless to try and capture crime in that way.

 

Being in the United States illegally is a violation of immigration law, but it is considered a civil offense, not a criminal one.

 

I understand what you're saying, but I disagree. If you are here illegally you are commiting a crime in perpetuity every second of every day. That's markedly different than a citizen speeding or smoking a joint.

 

The crime is illegally crossing the border. Being illegally present in the US is a civil offense not a crime. A person who overstays a legal visa (the majority of "illegals by the way) hasn't even committed a crime although he or she may be subject to deportation.
https://www.aclu.org/wp-content/upl...ted_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

 

I'm not a lawyer, so maybe I'm just dead wrong. But a civil offense still means you're doing something illegal?

 

We have a right to have a border and to know who's here. Having said that, a central component in the furtherance of efforts to install panic about undocumented immigrants has been to scare Americans into believing the immigrants are particularly dangerous and that a significant percentage are coming here to rape and murder us. I think the context in which the relative crime rates are discussed matters. Not to mention that many use the same rhetoric about migrants who are actually going through the legal process.