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The Electoral College is Very Unpopular

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by mdgator05, Aug 30, 2024.

  1. agigator

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    I got the idea from a column I read by conservative economist Walter Williams. Here's the column, I originally read it on townhall.com, but since it was written 16 years ago, you might have to dig through their archives to find it on that site.

    Walter E. Williams: Why should the Congress be limited to 435 members?
     
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  2. G8tas

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    The EC is affirmative action that right wingers are in favor of and left wingers are against
     
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  3. gatorchamps960608

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    The EC gives way too much power to people who live in the stix that live miles and miles from their nearest neighbor. It takes power away from the areas where the vast majority of our GDP is produced.

    It was a bad slave state compromise that has outlived it's usefulness. Currently it serves to impose the will of the minority in this country on the majority.
     
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  4. mdgator05

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    Says the guy complaining about his choices in the current system.
     
  5. Emmitto

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    Every election EXCEPT the most important one is determined by actual votes.
     
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  6. mdgator05

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    Difficulty doesn't really increase much though. With all of the data out there, it is pretty easy to program an algorithm that divides an area up by population to maximize the number of districts with 58-60% support for one party. The fact that the algorithm has to do it more times doesn't dramatically change the time needed (maybe adds a few hours to the final optimization run at most).
     
  7. uftaipan

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    Sure, just propose a Constitutional amendment. I’m sure this thing will sail through with 2/3rds of both Houses and 3/4ths of the state legislatures.
     
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  8. sierragator

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    So the EC is only for potus elections and is not applied to other elections. If it is such a great idea, how come other republics haven't adopted it?
    Are those in favor of it supporting it for political/power reasons or because it makes for better self governance in this American experiment?
    One of the core ideas behind the American Revolution was " taxation without representation".
     
  9. mdgator05

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    Read the sentence about the lack of adaptability. There was a time when our system could and did adapt (electing senators, women being allowed to vote, etc.). That time appears to have ended as of the boomers and the notion that the founders were prophetic. So we will likely be stuck with an unpopular system that ignores approximately 99.95% of voters (not exaggerating) because of their residency or their voting behavior. The ray of hope is that it is massively unpopular, so maybe self-preservation for politicians kicks in eventually.
     
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  10. Emmitto

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    But it won’t. The “need” the freest country on the planet has to have tiny subsets, in this case a couple dozen, decide things for 400M is too juicy.

    This is the fallacy of “let states decide.” Uh, wha? How about every individual decides.

    Vance trying to paper over the abortion lunacy is a plot hole in a doofus movie in all other walks of life. “California is different than Ohio.”

    Is there not a woman in California that disagrees with her overlords? Is there not a different woman in Ohio than her “captain”?

    How bout we all choose our own lanes and accept whatever consequences.

    Don’t like it, don’t do it. Like it, still don’t do it. That’s the best we can work out apparently.

    EC is the most egregious example. Are there no Republicans in California? Yet the whole enchilada goes to D’s.

    Are there no D’a in Alabama? Save some money and just award the R’s those EC votes, what a waste of resources.

    Or perhaps the freest country on Earth has every imaginable preference in all existing places.

    R’s always wanting to break up Cali to create their R islands, which mos def exist.

    But not in West Virginia, that must remain a monolith.

    “Representative” gov, to save you from thinking. Go to Walmart!!
     
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  11. Gatorrick22

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    State's RIGHTS matters... and so does the Constitution.
     
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  12. mdgator05

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    Yes, states would only be left with their individual governments (all governed by popular votes) and the Senate.
     
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  13. Gatorrick22

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    That's why we live in a Constitutional Republic and NOT a democracy... State's right matter.
     
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  14. Emmitto

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    But the individuals in those states don’t?
     
  15. Gatorrick22

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    The states matter in the electoral college, yes. Like I said we are a Constitutional Republic and our founding father did that one purpose... Here's why below. Even the Greeks knew this around 2,500 years ago.

    Why tyranny could be the inevitable outcome of democracy
     
  16. mdgator05

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    So should we go back to Senators not being elected either? Since you are opposed to democracy.
     
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  17. mdgator05

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    Did you read the article that you posted? It used Trumpism as a sign of democracy falling into tyranny. Seems like an odd position for you to be advocating...
     
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  18. agigator

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    So, you're saying that if the state was roughly 50-50 and districts were 50,000 people you could still gerrymander 60% of districts in favor of one party?
     
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    Yet if I recall correctly you supported overthrowing a lawful election in 2020 in violation of the Constitution that supposedly matters to you. .
     
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    Award EC votes by proportionality
     
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