Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

Man arrested for AI created child porn

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by channingcrowderhungry, Aug 25, 2024.

  1. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

    9,260
    2,089
    3,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Bottom of a pint glass
    Aside from the obvious depravity and grotesqueness of this, there are a lot of very interesting legal matters at play here. I assume this kind of stuff will eventually get to the supreme court.

    Part of the discussion is manipulation of open source software and govt regulation of open source. Part of the discussion is what responsibility AI has in assisting a crime. If the images aren't real was there even a crime committed? A lot to unpack



    https://www.politico.com/dims4/defa...cfc80d3a65db590/1995-donald-trump-gty-773.jpg
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Informative Informative x 3
  2. RealGatorFan

    RealGatorFan Premium Member

    15,058
    7,725
    2,893
    Apr 3, 2007
    Will be extremely difficult to prosecute because it comes down to AI taking a bunch of 1s and 0s to create a picture that doesn't involve an actual child.
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  3. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    Yeah as sick as it is - who is the victim here?
     
  4. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    I have no idea if it would play out like this but if it were to cut down on the amount of real child porn being created/distributed could it be a GOOD thing?
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  5. exiledgator

    exiledgator Gruntled

    11,248
    2,005
    3,128
    Jan 5, 2010
    Maine
    Definitely a lot to think about.

    My initial thoughts are that this is yet another unforeseen result of AI of what will be untold more and unless we want more unintended negative consequences (I think we can all agree this qualifies as one), we need to start regulating and legislating guardrails.

    Democracy is inherently reactive so it's unsurprising things like this arise, but it's time to start reacting.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  6. mrhansduck

    mrhansduck GC Hall of Fame

    4,869
    1,003
    1,788
    Nov 23, 2021
    I remember the Ashcroft case, below, and trying to think how it might be applied today and whether there are distinctions from the most recent arrests. Different Court today. Plus, it’s getting more and more difficult to distinguish AI from images of real people.

    {{meta.pageTitle}}

    The Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 (CPPA) prohibits "any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture" that "is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct," and any sexually explicit image that is "advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression" it depicts "a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." The Free Speech Coalition, an adult-entertainment trade association, and others filed suit, alleging that the "appears to be" and "conveys the impression" provisions are overbroad and vague and, thus, restrain works otherwise protected by the First Amendment. Reversing the District Court, the Court of Appeals held the CPPA invalid on its face, finding it to be substantially overbroad because it bans materials that are neither obscene under Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, nor produced by the exploitation of real children as in New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747.

    ****

    Yes. In a 6-3 opinion delivered by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, the Court held that the two prohibitions described above are overbroad and unconstitutional. The Court found the CPPA to be inconsistent with Miller insofar as the CPPA cannot be read to prohibit obscenity, because it lacks the required link between its prohibitions and the affront to community standards prohibited by the obscenity definition. Moreover, the Court found the CPPA to have no support in Ferber since the CPPA prohibits speech that records no crime and creates no victims by its production. Provisions of the CPPA cover "materials beyond the categories recognized in Ferber and Miller, and the reasons the Government offers in support of limiting the freedom of speech have no justification in our precedents or in the law of the First Amendment" and abridge "the freedom to engage in a substantial amount of lawful speech," wrote Justice Kennedy.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  7. NavyGator93

    NavyGator93 GC Hall of Fame

    1,963
    759
    2,663
    Dec 4, 2015
    Georgia
    An uncomfortable but very valid question.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

    12,035
    2,629
    3,303
    Apr 3, 2007
    Charlotte
    I have no sympathy for the accused. We infringe very few speech options for adults in the US. This is one which should have zero tolerance. No loopholes.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  9. cluckugator

    cluckugator VIP Member

    1,863
    885
    1,978
    Aug 16, 2007
    If generative AI can be liable for copyright infringement, I think they should be held liable for this.

    On a similar subject, I’m a huge fan of Louisiana’s new law which allows medical castration for adults that are found guilty of sexual assault on a person 12 or under. Should be like the death penalty, where it only occurs after a full appeals process has gone through.

    With a 5 year old and 7 year old currently, I just can’t don’t have any sympathy here.

    Louisiana becomes first state to allow surgical castration as punishment for child molesters
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

    9,260
    2,089
    3,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Bottom of a pint glass
    Yeah I thought about posting that but didn't really want to even wrap my mind around it. I could see it placating some people, but possibly igniting other people.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  11. danmanne65

    danmanne65 GC Hall of Fame

    4,017
    855
    268
    Jul 2, 2022
    DeLand
    My first thought is isn’t this a slippery slope but all previous slippery slope arguments I have heard of have been spurious.
     
  12. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Seems it could work just like a fake sting.
    There isnt a real child involved if the cops set up a fake encounter. It is still a crime though.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  13. WC53

    WC53 GC Hall of Fame

    4,989
    1,025
    2,088
    Oct 17, 2015
    Old City
    Maybe they can create an AI guillotine for him
     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

    8,927
    1,086
    3,218
    Apr 3, 2007
    It’s hard enough to distinguish some of the AI images now; we don’t need people using it as defense for actual child pornography where they can taint the jury’s mind on reasonable doubt. There may not be harm to an actual child with one AI photo but I don’t think it’s something that should be seen as acceptable in society and allowing AI child porn can create a culture of acceptance we should never entertain.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  15. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    Yep. That’s likely what they will use it for. I’m not sure how I feel about it. In these circumstances before it’s always been real. If they are not real images and there is any indication that the perps
    know they are not real images this starts wandering into minority report territory.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

    9,260
    2,089
    3,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Bottom of a pint glass
    I'm definitely not here to condone it. It just raises a lot of really bizarre and interesting legal questions. This is all stuff our legal system is going to have to sort out over the next few years
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  17. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 GC Hall of Fame

    89,031
    26,848
    4,613
    Apr 3, 2007
    Or... just remove his ability to move around freely in the real world.
     
  18. slocala

    slocala VIP Member

    3,303
    785
    2,028
    Jan 11, 2009
    These tech bros really have no control over the monster they are creating.

    “deregulation + section 230 = kiddie porn”

    make that a bumper sticker.
     
  19. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

    9,260
    2,089
    3,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Bottom of a pint glass
    That's actually part of the discussion because this guy uses something that was open source. So should the govt be allowed to regulate open source material? And at that point you probably won't see open source, this will all go to big corporations that can have govt oversight.
     
  20. slocala

    slocala VIP Member

    3,303
    785
    2,028
    Jan 11, 2009
    Good point.

    If the government can regulate your uterus, they can certainly regulate 1’s and 0’s.

    There will be a divergence in society of the Luddites and the technophiles.

    Sign up for your cybertronic implants that beam the porn straight into your hypothalamus.