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Kamala's housing plan

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Aug 16, 2024.

  1. tilly

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    Ok. We agree about the UniParty premise in a lot of ways. For example, my statement upthread that Trump is a closet liberal.

    He just asked who was better than Trump and outside of listing all 8 billion humans on earth, i listed four. Three living and one dead. ;)
     
  2. tilly

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    Affordable housing. I work in that sector and its a problem. People who were raised generationally in underserved communities and want to break the cycle need a bridge, and affordable first homes are a huge part. We need more homes to be that bridge. It's why we have generational dependency. Instead we just throw money into government housing that keeps people trapped.

    More options are needed. (And neither side will REALLY make it a priority outside of words.)

    Harris has had 4 years to impact affordable housing in ways she is now promising.

    Trump wanted to shut off any aid to organizations building affordable housing.

    They all say they want to help, but then vanish when they get elected.
     
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  3. tilly

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    Hey @ETGator1, wanna explain your funny rating? I literally don't ever watch any of them unless there is a hurricane or a major event like the Trump shooting.

    I certainly dont watch any of the prime time garbage.
     
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  4. ETGator1

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    For a second time, please show proof of this with a link(s), the more the better. I'd like to critique your claim.
     
  5. ETGator1

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    No.
     
  6. tilly

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  7. tilly

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    Some of you can't handle the fact that a conservative won't tow the line that you want to draw. When another 4 years of liberalism takes hold, look in the mirror at the choice to worship the orange calf candidate that you bow down to.
     
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  8. ETGator1

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    While I do appreciate these links after having read them, I'd like to know what was in the actual budget passed in congress and how it directly affected Habit for Humanity in North Carolina and elsewhere, one link mentioned Ben Carson endorsing Habitat for Humanity in Florida.

    The problem with these links is they are comments on a budget proposal from the presidential administration. Congress controls the purse strings, not the executive branch.
     
  9. ETGator1

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    All it takes is to see where we are headed under non-democracy democrats. That you don't see the difference is a lack of discernment on your part, my opinion. You think you had it bad under Trump offering no proof of actual negative affects to Habitat for Humanity, wait until Venezuela style leadership kicks in. (shaking head)
     
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  10. tilly

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    You are missing the point. Trump wanted to cut them because he doesnt care about people getting on their feet. He is full of crap. He doesnt care about hard working struggling Americans. He says he does, but then pulls crap like that.
     
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  11. tilly

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    It didnt hurt Habitat because he didnt get what HE WANTED. Lol.

    What Trump is doing is driving moderate people left and likely guaranteeing we never see a conservative potus for years to come.
     
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  12. ETGator1

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    This is totally not true. Trump is the accepted head of the hard-working struggling Americans, not the democrats.

    Back to those links for the budgets passed by congress that negatively affected Habit. If it is only Trump wanted to do a thing in the budget proposal, that ain't good enough. When congress passes a budget, they are 1,000s of pages long. Trump would likely not have known about some obscure line item in the HUD budget in the proposal or even how HUD would have responded had his been the budget proposal passed.

    It's apparent to me that you are just looking for an excuse because you personally don't like Trump. That's fine. There is a word for it, RINO. Be honest about it and do what you will do as a RINO and quit misrepresenting Trump as not the politician for the people.
     
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  13. ETGator1

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    So, neither Trump nor congress hurt Habitat for Humanity. Thanks for the refreshing honesty.
     
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    DeSantis will have to wait four more years... I'll vote for him too. ;)
     
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    I looked into this because I know that was not how that administration carried themselves. Especially knowing Ben Carson chaired HUD. From Carson, “Increasing the supply of housing by removing overly burdensome rules and regulations will reduce housing costs, boost economic growth, and provide more Americans with opportunities for economic mobility.” He also shared that regulation and unnecessary regulation is 25 percent of the cost of a new home.

    Trump signed an executive order Eliminating Regulatory Barriers to Affordable Housing. I have a friend who builds in the affordable housing industry. He is very wealthy. They kill it. It's my guess the Trump administration was not going to give aid to those making so much money on the contracts they won. I also believe they were not going to give aid to municipalities that wasted it. As you know, land use regulations are implemented locally, under authority given to municipalities by their state government.

    Let's not forget how affordable all housing was in 2019-2020 compared to today. Mortgage rates in 2019 averaged 3.94% across the country—the lowest since 1971. In fact, we ended the year at 1.75%. Low mortgage rates and the country's lowest-paid workers enjoying bigger income gains than managers and other top-earning professionals made housing much more affordable. Don't forget how low inflation was too.
    Low-wage workers are getting bigger raises than bosses

    White House Issues Executive Order to Eliminate Regulatory Barriers to Affordable Housing
     
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    “He also shared that regulation and unnecessary regulation is 25 percent of the cost of a new home.”

    This is such a bullshit statement perpetuated by the home building industry. It literally includes utility hookup fees, land cost because there are setbacks, required work so building a home doesn’t erode or flood the area, cost of complying with OSHA regulations for worker safety (requiring breaks, hard hats, eye protection and fall arrest systems), etc.
     
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    Things were so much better under Trump. Some of the regulars here would rather experience Kamala's 40% inflation than see Trump back in the White House.
     
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    So the big builders have “record profits” they will get skewered for getting hand outs.

    I can see it now.


    Explain how they will “ban” rental price “fixing”. The market is what the market is.

    Same with big firms buying homes “in bulk”, will they limit how many homes they buy a year? I then see them spinning off smaller companies and still buying the same numbers but spread out over more companies.

    Curious how that will work..
     
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    Didn’t they also promise the ACA would lower healthcare costs?

    I may be wrong but I don’t think the cost curve has come down (even when you factor in Covid costs).

    What I do see is more and more providers of taking any insurance and doing cash and self pay only.
     
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