More than 90 Palestinians killed in Israeli strike on school and mosque sheltering displaced people,

Sure. But the reaction to Hitler was justified. Look what he did/was doing. THAT was a global existential threat. Hamas is a fledgling terrorist organization who can't do any real damage to Israel let alone the rest of the world. The reaction has been grossly disproportionate and unnecessary.

 

The right-wing nationalist Israeli government has the same goal as Hitler too ... creating lebensraum for the "volk"

 

Being opposed to an excessive response to terrorism, which basically equates to war crimes.

That's what I would call it.

Which, incidentally is what I would have called nuking Afghanistan post-9/11.

Safe to assume you wouldn't have called that being "pro-Al Qaeda"? Perhaps we should be more careful about labeling posters pro-terrorist?

 

That is not valid in the least. Because Hitler had the capacity to conquer other nations, and endanger, enslave, or exterminate millions of people. As we've seen.

Hamas has no such capacity. They are a terrorist organization, not a legitimate country with a legitimate military.

They are not an "existential threat" to other nations' existence, as Germany was.

Your comparison is completely invalid and should be discontinued.

 

Real damage isn't killing 1,200+ people? Interesting take...

 

Pretty easy to reduce it to strictly numbers from the comfort of distance and a keyboard. I'm not saying Israel is doing things the right way because I simply don't know what the answer is but minimizing the threat and fear Israelis have to live with over the occasional rocket lob or October 7th attack because of statistics is pretty arrogant.

I forget who said it once but the difference in a problem and a mess is that you solve a problem and manage a mess. The middle east is a mess with no solution at this point. And I don't think Israel is innocent in this. Far from it as I have friends with family in palestine and have heard many stories over the years of things that don't necessarily end up getting reported. Same for friends in Israel.

 

I tell you what has not been given a chance is to let Israel finish them off. Every time Hamas, or PLO, or whatever other Muslim grievance group attacks somewhere, and the attacked party starts pounding them, they know they can rely on people like you and the lamestream media to start feeling sorry for their pathetic asses and you will “make the meanies stop, mommy”.

We already have dozens, probably hundreds of instances where we know with certainty that Hamas and their predecessors have used propaganda to buy a cease fire. And people like you gladly oblige. I know you mean well, but at some point in time you need to realize that you are being used repeatedly and with Hamas, or PLO or many other radical groups that peace truly has no chance. Do you really believe that if Hamas did destroy Israel that suddenly all would be right with the world? I think you really know the answer to that. If Israel stopped bombing because “it might kill civilians” there is only one winner in that; Hamas and radical Islam, and many losers; the rest of the civilized world.

 

Based on your continuous ridiculous posts, I think it’s pretty safe to say that you have never done anything right, and if you have done something right; it was small and insignificant.

The events leading to the issues in the ME are complex, but human nature is not. Iran has been allowed to terrorize the world for about 45+ years now. Other than an an occasional strike on a nuke facility and a handful of assassination strikes, the civilized world has not held them to account for this.

It is time to cut the head off of the snake!

 

Your laughable joke posts show that you know nothing of the issues, you just get some bizarre manly feeling from seeing civilians and children killed. You probably go play with toy guns on your own after reading news reports of such.

Also, cool "head of the snake" imagery, He-Man. Too bad what's happening and what you're cheering for is instead largely the killing of civilians.

 

Guy who made his living as a defense contractor supports bombing people, crazy I know

 

When Yemen bombs Israel, what should Israel do?

When Hezbollah bombs Israel, what should Israel do?

When all of the bombs and targets into Israel originate from the same place—Iran—what should Israel do?

Iran is using its proxies to wage war on an Israel, and has been doing so for years. The Iranian acts did not suddenly start on October 7–they just weren’t as brazen as what took place.

No sane person wants war. But what is a country to do when it’s attacked over and over and over???

I want peace as much as anyone on this Board—maybe more so than many on here who decry the violence given that I know people who live there. If Israel stopped its “aggression,” as some say here, today, there would be no change. None. Except that Israel would appear to its enemies as weak and vulnerable to more aggressive attacks.

To get peace, we need all sides to demand peace. Israel wants to be left alone, in peace. The other side wants to erase Israel. The two goals are not compatible. Until Iran and it’s proxies recognize Israel’s right to exist, in peace, there will be no peace.

 

So weird how you walked yourself towards your own answer, yet you don't see it.

Much/most of the region's terrorism is sponsored by Iran, as you point out. So will slaughtering 10s of thousands of women, children and civilians in Gaza strongly motivate Iran? Will displacing and starving millions of Gazans do so?

Perhaps a rational start could be to eliminate the poor options of response. Such as.....exactly what Israel is doing. How's that seem to be working out, by the way? Going to solve the problem?

 

Until you show you aren't a troll, I'll just continue to laugh at your posts. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

 

So your solution is to turn the cheek? Show weakness to your enemy, particularly there, and it is your death. The only thing that has kept Israel in existence since 1948 is its projection of strength. Because we know, unequivocally, that the surrounding states have repeatedly tried to eliminate Israel over the course of that time.

There is and will be no path to peace until there is a demand for peace from all sides. One side is taught that the only solution to the Israel problem is that she should be erased, not metaphorically, but literally erased. Israel was created because of the last attempt to erase Jews from the Earth,and it will never allow that to take place again,at least not without the maximum defense available.

And given the mentality of the Middle East, where no reaction is perceived as weakness, and where weakness creates opportunities to exploit the vulnerable, I disagree with you plan that Israel should turn its cheek.

 

I see that you are just envious of your inability to be a man, size up a situation that is bad and decide on a solution. Your statistics on Israeli deaths don’t take into account how much money Israel has has to spend to keep those numbers as low as they are. Without Iron dome, the Israeli casualties would be massively, exponentially higher. But you don’t see that. You sit behind your keyboard cherry-picking statistics to suit your so-called position.

Hamas will not stop until they are either destroyed or destroy Israel. Like it or not, that is the situation. Unfortunately for the civilized world it has come to this. The world has given the PLO, al-Qaddafi, Muslim brotherhood, and various other Muslim grievance groups, the opportunity to participate in a civilized world. Unfortunately too many in the Muslim world have refused these opportunities. This is where we are.

 

How many times in history have countries actually defeated a terrorist group like HAMAS, the PLO, the IRA, or any terrorist group through military conquest? How long has Israel been fighting these terrorist groups? Why haven't they finished the job yet? Or ever?

It's wash, rinse, repeat. Israel and the Palestinian terrorist organizations have been fighting the same battles for generations. It's not going to end with a military victory. It's likely not going to end with a ceasefire either, but at least it stops the bombing and killing for a time being. And maybe, if there's a miracle, it can stop for a longer period this time? If not, it's just more of the same.

 

Do you really think Iran and its proxies will suddenly stop bombing Israel for the foreseeable future? What in the past 10-15 years of history supports this?

 

No. But at the same time, think Israel can actually achieve a military victory against Hamas? So what's better? A ceasefire or continued fighting?

 

Shrinking

 

I truly don’t know the answer. I just don’t. What I know with a certainty is that any display of weakness will be catastrophic, but at the same time, there HAS to be an end. I just don’t know the right balance or direction.