More than 90 Palestinians killed in Israeli strike on school and mosque sheltering displaced people,

No question. I think the question becomes who is actually to blame. If someone robs a bank, shoots 7 people in tha bank, and grabs a teller to be a human shield just as the cops storm in, who really caused the teller to be caught in any crossfire? The cops or the robber?

 

How about the cops just blow up the bank killing everyone in it? Bank robbers neutralized. Who is responsible for all the dead tellers in this case?

 

But back to my point about the exaggerated numbers. I’m sure Hamas exaggerated quite a bit. But that doesn’t mean this didn’t happen and many innocents didn’t die. I’m so sick of this deflection.

 

Depends. Did the back robbers launch rockets and attack scores of innocents?

It's sadly very complicated.

 

I dont think it is deflection to question the source of the info.

Look, all war is messy and innocents will die.

Innocents have died since 9/11, but not in skyscrapers in US cities. It's really you or them when dealing with terrorists, so It has to be them.

 

Yes, we must never examine why people do the things they do and our own actions in perpetuating the violence, just keep reactively killing people, forever. Just like with policing, we cant really look into what causes crime or do anything about it, we just gotta keep giving cops a free reign to take out the bad guys.

 

This. Precisely this.

A numerically accurate analogy might be : the 10 bank robbers kill 1 person during the robbery, so the police blow up the bank, killing everyone inside, including the 30 civilians.

And, of course, tons of people cheer the killing as some kind of wonderful deterrent.

Crazy.

 

I think we all share the same frustration with this situation, and are “sick” of it, just as you are. As in any conflict, there is a high likelihood of civilian casualties. That is not good, but it is a reality of war. Hamas knows this, just as all Muslim groups who partake in 9/11, and 10/7 and thousands of smaller attacks over the last near 60 years, knew it. Yet instead of isolating their war capabilities in a strategic efficient manner, they have strategically chosen, for almost 60 years, to imbed their military capability in and amongst their civilian population centers. This is a virtual guarantee of civilian casualties in any type of strike.

While I share your frustrations of civilian casualties in Gaza, I also know that one side, Israel, goes to great lengths, and tremendous expense to minimize civilian casualty. The other side, Hamas, hides among their women and children virtually sentencing them to death.

As I said earlier, if Hamas laid down their weapons tonight, there would be peace tomorrow.

If Israel laid down their weapons tonight, there would be another 10/7 tomorrow.

 

Wow, so what would them not giving a shit about civilian casualties look like?

 

We need an Onion article, like there is for gun violence in the United States: "There is just absolutely NO ALTERNATIVE to killing civilians at a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio to combatants."

The response to terrorism is not war crimes. No matter how often, and super meaningfully, people say how they really really HATE that that is the only possible response.




Also: is Israel now close to achieving their objectives? Have 10s of thousands of civilians been killed for a good reason?

Or just to feel bad about feeling good?

 

Ok, So when are the people who accused Israel of killing innocents going to say "my bad"? So we go from 100 to 40 and then Israel claims 38 terrorists killed? Just wondering...

 

This sums up a bunch of posters in this thread. Still waiting for someone, anyone to admit they were duped yet again by Hamas and the media.

 

The IDF has named another 12 terrorists who were killed at the school. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-august-12-2024/

 

Hamas has been repeatedly caught lying about the death counts. In this instance, Israel used precision weapons and targeted where they meeting was taking place. It is tied that you continually take the word of a terrorist organization by reciting their claims. You have not addressed the fact that 31 terrorists were killed using that school. Any innocents killed in that school are in Hamas. And this is just one example of many

 

Amazing that the MSM literally just parrots what terrorists tell them time after time and never own up to it after it's of course proven false.

 

Yeah. Thats what I said.

Not!

 

This is exactly why those in the business will be studying urban warfare tactics used by the Israelis during this campaign. As I have posted many times the UN themselves released numbers that document upwards of 90% of ALL casualties in urban conflict are civilian. That’s not new. The non Hamas BS nunbers thus far are well below that amount and that’s with an enemy that doesn’t even try to hide their use of hospitals and school and houses and people for both offense and defensive positions. A lot of people aren’t going to like this but those that understand this type of conflict know the IDF is putting on a clinic and this will be studied as to how to carry out urban conflict and a densely populated area.

 

You going to own up to buying the Hamas propoganda?

 

I specifically said they exaggerate. But does that mean no innocents were killed in this strike? I can't express sympathy for the dead innocents because Hamas is lying about how many there were and that makes me a terrorist sympathizer because I'm "taking them at their word?" It's lazy deflection. If the figure they gave is anywhere in the universe of accurate it's abhorrent.

With regards to the bolded - give me a break - the women and children they were hiding amongst were "in Hamas?" Bullshit.

And yes it's great that they were able to eliminate 31 terrorists. But at what cost?

 

Lol. Your numbers are so disproportionate.
If the robbers had a stated goal to kill everyone in the city and had missiles and bombs and would die trying to do that, then you cant count just the lives in the bank.

It doesnt mean efforts should not be made. But it doesnt change the reality that the terrorists will allow their own to be killed so that they can continue being terrorists.