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Who will Harris pick as VP? It’s Walz!!

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Jul 21, 2024.

  1. g8tr80

    g8tr80 Premium Member

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    Walz will have Minnesota off the carbon grid by 2040. He hasn’t quite figured out how, but I give him credit for trying!
     
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  2. wgbgator

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    I didn't say win, I said peel off rural voters.
     
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    As of April 2024, abortion is legal in Minnesota at any stage of pregnancy, and there are no limits based on gestational duration. The state also removed previous restrictions, such as waiting periods and fetal viability requirements, in 2023. Other abortion laws in Minnesota include:
    • Parental involvement
      Minors can consent to an abortion without parental involvement or notification
     
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  4. wgbgator

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    Welcome to the post Roe world ... the states that allow abortion are going to have less restrictions than previously. This is the world the Supreme Court created.
     
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  5. gatormonk

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  6. GatorBen

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    That doesn’t necessarily follow - there was nothing stopping them from having no restrictions when Roe was in place, so why would getting rid of Roe in and of itself cause them to have fewer restrictions?

    While I can get saying “blame the Supreme Court” when someone points out how dumb lots of Republican abortion policies are post-Roe (in as much as the Supreme Court let them do it), I’m not entirely sure how that defense works for dumb Democratic abortion policies (“we could have always adopted insane policies if we really wanted to, but we voluntarily chose not to do so because the Supreme Court wouldn’t let Republicans enact equally insane policies?”).
     
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  7. Gatorrick22

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    I always think about Walter Mondale as the one that made that state so loony. Or was it his dad, Theodor Mondale, that started their path to the far Left?
     
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  8. gatorchamps960608

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    Good.
     
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  9. GatorBen

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    But wouldn’t the fact that they’re losing rural seats they used to hold seem to indicate that they’re losing rural votes, not gaining them?
     
  10. Gatorrick22

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    Like I said, Harris/Walz - Burn It Down And Bail Them Out!
     
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  11. pkaib01

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    It is not as if Walz did not send in the Guard. A little more context might be in order:

    "Two days after Mr. Floyd’s death, with protests in Minneapolis turning increasingly violent, the city’s mayor, Jacob Frey, asked Mr. Walz to deploy the National Guard. Hours later, the city’s police chief submitted a written request for 600 troops. But it was not until the next afternoon that Mr. Walz signed an executive order allowing the Guard to assist cities."

    Walz Has Faced Criticism for His Response to George Floyd Protests

    I do not know why Walz did act on the first day but your video is misleading.
     
  12. GatorRade

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    This is interesting. I hadn’t considered this idea before, but I’m definitely willing to consider the evidence for it. If your hypothesis is supported, perhaps we just need a change of messaging. Instead of “studies show that people are tribal, so you shouldn’t make them focus on their group identity!”, perhaps we could say something more like, “people act more openly in an environment not focused on group identities.”

    You are absolutely correct that for tribalism to be a meaningful concept, there must be some behaviors and attitudes that are not considered to be tribal. I think that my definition of tribalism can clear this bar (though a discussion over several beers would be more likely to help us find out). A salient feature of tribalism is that the attitude or behavior of the individual would be changed by changing the group identities of the individual or others.

    I believe this condition has been demonstrated experimentally. Eg in this study by Dan Kahan, where he showed liberals and conservatives the same video of a protest, telling some of them it was a protest of an abortion clinic and others it was a protest of the military’s “don’t ask don’t tell” policy. Here are the key results:

    Subjects of opposing cultural outlooks who were assigned to the same experimental condition (and who thus had the same belief about the nature of the protest) disagreed sharply on key “facts” – including whether the protesters obstructed and threatened pedestrians. Subjects also disagreed sharply with those who shared their cultural outlooks but who were assigned to the opposing experimental condition (and hence had a different belief about the nature of the protest).

    "They Saw a Protest": Cognitive Illiberalism and the Speech-Conduct Distinction

    Since all four of these experimental groups saw the same exact video, their differences in interpretation cannot be due to the nature of the protests themselves. You are reading the same message board I am. You must also recognize this kind of pattern on here.
     
  13. vegasfox

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    JD Vance enlisted after 9/11.

    Tim Walz quit after 9/11

    Imagine what the media would say if the reverse was true

    Per Rich Baris @Peoples_Pundit
     
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  14. pkaib01

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    wut?
     
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  16. tilly

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    Good that they can abort a 9 month pregnancy?
     
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  17. pkaib01

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    How does a faithful devotee as yourself reconcile the need to criticize a 24 year military veteran for retiring to run for Congress given your guy required 5 draft deferments to stay out of harm's way?
     
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  18. HeyItsMe

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    “Real men dodge the draft due to bone spurs.”

    - Alpha male Donald Trump.
     
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  19. wgbgator

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    Sure it does, Democrats were comfortable with the Roe status quo. The court upends that under the idea of "let the states decide" and I cant imagine there was any state that didnt alter their abortion laws one way or the other, and it set off a bunch of ballot initiatives to guarantee access where possible. If people perceive rights are under atack they are going to act to strengthen them.
     
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  20. gatordavisl

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    TBC was referring to politicians, which are pretty much toothless in FL.