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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    Navy admirals are avoiding all but single story buildings about now. Might be a good defection opportunity
     
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  2. demosthenes

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    I don’t think it’s the cost so much as the time to replace. Tanks, APCs, etc. don’t take 7 years to replace. Russia’s current submarine build cycle does.
     
  3. G8trGr8t

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    atacms or a2g missiles from f-16's? 165 miles from front lines seems like air launched to get that range. atacms have a stated max range of 190 miles so ???

    Satellite images show long-range strikes destroyed a Russian aircraft that can drop glide bombs, Ukraine says (msn.com)

    Ukraine's military intelligence agency published satellite images showing the aftermath of strikes on Saturday at Russia's Morozovsk airbase, located some 165 miles from the front lines. Kyiv initially said it hit facilities storing glide bombs and other munitions.

    The new imagery revealed extensive damage to the airbase, including craters, scorch marks, burned ground, and other debris caused by the explosions and ensuing fires. Ukraine appeared to carry out the attack with drones.

    According to the Ukrainian Main Directorate of Intelligence, an arm of the country's defense ministry, also known as the HUR, the attack destroyed one Su-34 fighter-bomber and likely damaged two more. The aircraft can be clearly seen in the imagery.

    The HUR said it also destroyed Russia's aviation arsenal in Saturday's strikes and that the secondary detonation of ammunition caused large areas of burned earth on and around the base, which can be seen in the satellite images.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    Guy has a point …

     
  5. G8trGr8t

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    it appears that the three remaining russian subs in the black sea are facing some major obstacles unless Turkey lets them slip out. WIth so many deployments and now no real subbase to get repairs or maintenance work done, they may not be in service much longer

    Destruction of Rostov-on-Don submarine to knock out 4 more Russian vessels, analysts say (msn.com)

    According to the agency's analysts, the Russians are currently unable to repair their submarines in the Black Sea. They drew attention to the fact that the main submarine repair plant in the region is the Sevastopol Naval Shipyard. Moreover, even this enterprise has not always been able to perform such work - some submarines had to sail around Europe to undergo scheduled repairs at the Kronstadt Naval Shipyard.

    According to analysts, Russia currently has three more submarines of the Varshavianka project in the Black Sea: B-265 Krasnodar, B-268 Veliky Novgorod, and B-271 Kolpino, as well as the Paltus project B-871 Alrosa.

    All of these Russian submarines have no way out of the Black Sea, as Türkiye has blocked the Bosphorus Strait. Therefore, the only possible alternative is the shipyard in Novorossiysk, but it has never worked on submarines. In addition, even in the Novorossiysk bay, Russia keeps submarines in a semi-submerged state. Also, shipbuilding and repair facilities in Kerch are not suitable for such repairs.

    Thus, according to Defense Express analysts, all of these Russian submarines are currently unable to undergo full repairs, as they must be driven under attack to the temporarily occupied Sevastopol. This is although the operation of all three submarines of the Varshavianka project is extremely active and the frequency of their repairs and maintenance is higher than peacetime norms.
     
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  6. NavyGator93

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    English please.
     
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  7. NavyGator93

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    You have to be impressed with how he twists this story not to be an absolute embarrassment. I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone has lost a submarine in combat in the last 80 years. 8 decades and someone finally lost a sub to a country without a credible navy. An incredible level of incompetence.
     
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  8. demosthenes

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    Russia also lost a submarine last year too. They claimed they were going to repair it so I’m not sure it was a full loss.

    Edit: It was actually the same submarine. Wonder if it was operational after being hit last year, or was still in port for repairs?
     
  9. G8trGr8t

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    lack of spare parts taking a toll, apparently ball bearings are needed to make trains roll...if their rail system collapses, they are truly (screwed).

    Russian Railway Networks Facing 'Imminent Collapse': Report (msn.com)

    The state-owned Russian Railways faces "imminent collapse" amid a shortage of locomotives, driven by Western-imposed sanctions imposed over the war in Ukraine, a Russian Telegram channel has reported.

    The sanctions have contributed to a ball-bearing shortage in Russia, which has affected locomotive maintenance in the country. This has led to a rise in malfunctions on the network's trains and an increase in the number of vehicles being suspended, Russian newspapers Vedomosti and Kommersant reported in February and March this year.

    The VChK-OGPU outlet, which is widely believed to have ties to Russian security agencies, reported Monday, citing an unnamed source, that the railway network's deputy head Sergei Kobzev told his subordinates at an internal meeting "that the situation is critical."

    "The complete collapse of the entire railroad network in the country could happen in days," the channel said. "[Russian Railways] chiefs have been ordered to work to the point of exhaustion. Those who fail to cope are threatened with dismissal and 'execution.' This is the motivation."
     
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  10. sierragator

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    Thoughts and prayers
     
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  11. G8trGr8t

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    brain drain....

    Putin Faces Military Crisis: 'We Are Dying, There Is No One to Replace Us' (msn.com)

    Experts assert that the foundation of Russia's military, heavily reliant on Soviet-era equipment, is crumbling without adequate successors, according to Ziare. The esteemed designers of key military hardware like the Su-34, MiG-29, IL-76, Iskander missiles, Kalibr systems, and BMP combat vehicles have passed away, leaving a void that is challenging to fill. A report by the Pulaski Foundation sounds an alarm: “We are dying. Soon there will be no one left to replace us.” This crisis is exacerbated by the lack of qualified successors with the same expertise and talent.

    The new generation of designers is not matching up to their predecessors, impacting the quality and reliability of Russian military equipment. Many current armament programs are based on designs from the 1980s, highlighting a dependence on outdated technology.

    The notable figures like Mikhail Simonov, Sergey Nepobedimiy, Ivan Mikoyan, Genrikh Novozhilov, Rollan Martirosov, Pavel Kamnev, and Aleksandr Blagonravov, who developed these key systems, have died in the past decade.

    Their loss is significant as their creations form the backbone of the Russian armed forces, with no refined successors ready to take their place. Unlike in the West, where institutional knowledge and numerous educated successors ensure continuity, Russia struggles to maintain its armament capabilities.
     
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  12. OklahomaGator

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    They need to quit falling off of balconies and out of windows, that might help. :):):)
     
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  13. chemgator

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    I think it was converted into a surface ship with the giant hole on the side. I doubt it ever left port before Ukraine finished it off. If it had anything worth salvaging, it's gone now.
     
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    More on the munitions part of the Russian Su-34 airfield that was blown to bits.

    Aftermath Of Ukrainian Attack On Russian Su-34 Fullback Base Emerges

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  16. chemgator

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    Russia does not have twice the number of tanks it had at the beginning of the war. It has simply been taking old tanks out of storage, refurbishing them, and moving them to Ukraine. Russia has lost over 5,000 tanks, according to credible sources, over a 2.5 year period, or about 200 per month. Russia has the ability to manufacture about 20 tanks a month, if my memory of that detail is accurate, plus they can refurbish about 100 older tanks a month. They have been losing tanks during this war, not gaining them. Their tanks do not even stand up very well to Bradley fighting vehicles.

    Your inability to comprehend what you read is a cold splash of water on over two years of your steady Kremlin propaganda in your fight against the truth.
     
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  17. G8trGr8t

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    now the russian air force is following the navy and abandoning facilities in Crimea

    Ukraine War Tide Turns: Humiliated Putin Suffers Major Defeat as Russian Forces Retreat from Crimea (msn.com)

    Russia has been forced to evacuate all aircraft from two of its military bases in Crimea as Ukraine escalates its activities in the region.

    The Ukrainian Navy announced that Moscow ordered the relocation of planes previously used to launch strikes on Ukraine from these airfields, Express has reported.

    He noted that Russian forces could relocate the planes to the mainland, but this requires adequate logistics to supply fuel and other essentials.

    This strategic move coincides with Kyiv intensifying its operations against Russia, delivering significant blows to its forces in the Black Sea over the weekend.
     
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  18. duggers_dad

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    The worm turns. David Axe is one of the Ukrainianest Ukrainianist in the West …

     
  19. CHFG8R

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    You know what they say? "It's all about ball bearings these days."
     
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  20. exiledgator

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    Quoting your avatar, I see
     
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