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Venezuela Elections

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jul 29, 2024.

  1. ajoseph

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    Speaking only for me, I m admonishing your leader, Trump, for knowingly telling you lie after lie about election fraud. We know this because the internal memos confirmed this.

    I absolutely understand why Trump’s followers believed him when he spit his vile lies about the election; he was our President and it is unfathomable that our President would fabricate lies out of thin air to remain in office. But, with time, the proof is overwhelming that he lied from inception. And as for people that still believe that there was wide spread election fraud, I feel badly for them as they remain a victim of the intentional, orchestrated manipulation perpetrated by MAGA; they refuse to look at the actual, tangible evidence because they are told, in conclusory fashion with no facts, that the information of “fake news.”
     
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  2. thomadm

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    Sigh... I'm done. Trump is not MY leader. A lot of talking points on both sides that are regurgitated on this board from corporate media outlets. Believe what you want, you are fed what you need to vote a certain way. Pick your side, vote a down ballot and the cycle continues.
     
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  3. gtr2x

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    We no longer live in the area but at one time my wife was very active in Weston politics. Many of our friends have become empty nesters and moved away but those who still live there feel that the city gov (mayor/commission) has become more conservative (less liberal).

    Btw, as for DWS, my wife knows her well. Some may not like her politics but she and her family are avid Gators. RB, your state rep's kids are also Gators. :)
     
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  4. pkaib01

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    Here are some "talking points" from the DOJ and a grand jury:
    https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

    Here are some "talking points" from a bipartisan congressional committee:
    Press Releases | January 6th-benniethompson

    I am confident one can transition from the realm of belief to one of knowledge by reading these materials.
     
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  5. danmanne65

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    It’s weird wherever there is chaos like Venezuela or Russia we benefit because we get the ones smart and motivated enough to flee.
     
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  6. ajoseph

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    We probably know many of the same people. We have a very good friend on the City Commission, as well. (Also, DWS’s husband is a fraternity brother.)
     
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  7. gtr2x

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    I'm not sure if it is more motivation or just that there is a high correlation between being smart and having financial resources to bail and/or work the systems.
     
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  8. G8trGr8t

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    if there is one thing a socialist gubmnt will teach you to do it is how to work the system....it isn't a mistake that dade county is ground zero for medicare fraud
     
  9. gtr2x

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    Well, I certainly agree re Dade county being ground zero for Medicare fraud. However, I'm not so sure about the socialist connection. Is Rick Scott really a socialist at heart??:eek::cool:
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    What’s happening in Venezuela - protests, election uncertainty and an economic crisis | CNN

    Venezuela’s opposition and multiple Latin American leaders have refused to recognize Maduro’s victory in the July 28 vote, which was announced by the country’s electoral authority - a body stacked with the president’s allies.

    At least 11 people have been killed in the protests, according to non-governmental organization Foro Penal, and Venezuelan authorities say that more than 1,000 people have been detained. The Attorney General Tarek William Saab said Wednesday that 77 law enforcement officers had been injured in clashes with protesters and that a National Guard sergeant had been killed on Tuesday.
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    The results are disputed. The National Electoral Council (CNE) officially declared Maduro the winner late Sunday, with 80% of ballots counted. It said Maduro had won 51.2% of the votes, while Gonzalez received 44.2%.

    The CNE has yet to issue final vote tallies. But the opposition has rejected the results, claiming their own tallies showed Gonzalez had won. On Monday, they said they had obtained more than 73% of the tally sheets showing more than 6 million votes for Gonzalez and only 2.7 million for Maduro.
     
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    Election Results Presented by Venezuela’s Opposition Suggest Maduro Lost Decisively

    But partial election results, provided to The New York Times by a group of researchers associated with Venezuela’s main opposition alliance, supply new evidence that calls the official result into question.

    Their figures suggest that an opposition candidate, a retired diplomat named Edmundo González, actually beat Mr. Maduro by more than 30 percentage points. The researchers’ estimate of the result — 66 percent to 31 percent — is similar to the result obtained by an independent exit pollconducted on Election Day across the country.

    It was not possible for The Times to independently verify the underlying tallies, which the researchers say were collected from paper receipts produced by about 1,000 voting machines, about three percent of the country’s total. By Wednesday, Venezuela’s government-controlled election authority had still not released detailed results, despite growing international pressure.


    But several independent survey and election analysts reviewed the researchers’ approach and said that, based on the tallies shared by the researchers, the estimates appeared credible. And given the partial tallies, The Times was able to broadly replicate the researchers’ estimates of the result within two percentage points.
     
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  12. sierragator

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    declare yourself the winner and threaten to throw your opponents in jail like a real American would do. maga maga maga
     
  13. G8trGr8t

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    djt going to send him a love letter and start singing his praises any day now
     
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  17. G8trGr8t

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    This is the right way to do it but I fear the others would rather ignore it and wait it out than force a change although I disagree with the decision to not recognize the true winner of the election

    Amid Venezuela tumult, U.S. wants Latin American countries to lead in finding a solution (msn.com)

    The Biden administration, while saying that opposition candidate Eduardo González clearly won more votes, has stopped short of declaring him the victor. Instead, it has called for the release of all official results and for Maduro and the opposition to negotiate a “transition” of power.

    Rather than taking the lead in pushing for Maduro to step down and threatening sanctions and other reprisals if he refuses as the White House has in the past, the current administration has placed its hopes in triad of leftist Latin American governments to persuade him to yield.

    So far, efforts of the presidents of Mexico, Colombia and Brazil, all of whom have relatively stable relations with Maduro, appear to have achieved little.

    Foreign ministers from the three countries will be meeting with their Venezuelan counterpart on Sunday, with the goal of planning a meeting among Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, Colombia’s Gustavo Petro and Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva of Brazil and Maduro on Wednesday.
     
  19. G8trGr8t

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    Exclusive: US seizes Venezuela President Nicolas Maduro’s airplane in the Dominican Republic (msn.com)

    The United States has seized Venezuela President Nicolas Maduro’s airplane after determining that its acquisition was in violation of US sanctions, among other criminal issues. The US flew the aircraft to Florida on Monday, according to two US officials.

    It’s the latest development in what has long been a frosty relationship between the US and Venezuela, and its seizure in the Dominican Republic marks an escalation as the US continues to investigate what it regards as corrupt practices by Venezuela’s government.
    The plane has been described by officials as Venezuela’s equivalent to Air Force One and it has been pictured in previous state visits by Maduro around the world.

    “This sends a message all the way up to the top,” one of the US officials told CNN. “Seizing the foreign head of state’s plane is unheard-of for criminal matters. We’re sending a clear message here that no one is above the law, no one is above the reach of US sanctions.”
     
  20. G8trGr8t

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    US recognizes the opposition candidate as the elected leader. Not sure that djt can easily change the US position for his strongman buddy but I guess he can as potus

    Biden’s Move on Venezuela Leaves Trump Little Room to Cut a Deal

    Nicolás Maduro was hoping for a “fresh start” with the US under Donald Trump. Instead, he’s getting déjà vu. The outgoing Biden administration announced Tuesday it now considers opposition candidate Edmundo González as Venezuela’s president-elect. While it doesn’t go quite as far, the move harks back to when the US unsuccessfully declared another Maduro rival the rightful leader of the South American nation during Trump’s first term at the White House.

    It also makes Trump’s job harder, given it’s now less likely the incoming US president can cut a deal with the socialist strongman in exchange for accepting planes full of Venezuelan migrants deported from the US.

    “At this point a return to ‘maximum pressure,’ or something like it, is all but guaranteed,” said Geoff Ramsey, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council — referring to the Trump strategy that saw the US tighten sanctions and recognize Juan Guaidó as interim president in a failed bid to sweep Maduro from power. The Biden team’s move sets “an important early test” for the incoming administration, Ramsey added. It will force Trump to decide whether to “go all the way and recognize González not as president-elect, but as the legitimate president.”

    Tuesday’s shift, telegraphed to allies at the Group of 20 summit in Brazil and then confirmed by Secretary of State Antony Blinken in a post on X, is the strongest US acknowledgment yet that the opposition won Venezuela’s contested election in July. It also fits with the most likely approach by Trump’s pick to succeed Blinken, Florida Senator Marco Rubio, who has been one of the Maduro regime’s fiercest critics.