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Biden proposes SCOTUS changes

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by OklahomaGator, Jul 29, 2024.

  1. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    My thought was if the term limit was set less than 8, with a President serving up to 8 years, each President could nominate an entire new court, that would make it political.
     
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  2. ajoseph

    ajoseph Premium Member

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    Why not Congressional limits, too?
     
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  3. Gatorrick22

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    Yes, and that will not happen any time soon. It's far-fetched that the Dems could pull that off, even with the few RINOs that they could bribe helping them out.
     
  4. eastowest

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    Interesting. He's unfit to run but he's fit to completely overhaul the American Justice system at the highest levels?
     
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  5. slocala

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    Dissent.

    IMO, the system has worked for a long time. Today’s left is tomorrow’s right. The right have been frustrated for 50 years. The left will be frustrated for some years to come.

    No need for term limits if the court can be expanded or contracted.

    The judiciary’s low approval is the very point of our checks and balances. It shows to me that the electorate is more engaged now than 20 years ago and is not as complacent about the soft squishy “institutions” and “traditions” that lack legal standing.

    The judiciary must be accountable to Congress and the Executive Branch in their appointments. Maybe they will take it more seriously.

    one last thing… I strongly believe we lack precision in our language and connections across statutes, regulations, legal opinions, etc. AI and quantum computing will create instant connections and highlight ambiguity that doesn’t happen today. We will see more “boxing in” on opinions and decisions.
     
  6. Gatorrick22

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    He's unfit to run the country, why would anyone listen to him? Like I said, more election cycle distractions to pull us all away from what Harris's DANGEROUS political policies really are.

    Kamala also wants the Nuclear Option to pass Senate bills for all her crazy totalitarian ideas. That cannot be allowed to happen. We already have it for the presidential court nominations, but not for everything else the Senate votes on Kamala would make it a simple majority on all Senate bills and resolutions.
     
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  7. gator95

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    I thought I said that. Yes, I think most of the US would be in favor of Congressional limits as well as Supreme Court Limits. But no way it will pass because everyone in politics makes too much money to agree to that.
     
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  8. CHFG8R

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    So sad that we can't just trust voters on this. Or USSC judges not to just be open shills and have no respect for the position.
     
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  9. GatorRade

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    Except congresspeople are up for reelection every few years.
     
  10. CHFG8R

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    Not to mention, it just further empowers the real problem: Lobbyists and pay-to-play. Until we change these stats, nothing changes: https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/winning-vs-spending?cycle=2020
     
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  11. gatorjd95

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    Bingo. There are pro's and con's to every system devised by man. Those who cheer judicial/age term limits today will oppose them later when their favored judges are limited/aged out.

    Adding on to the post quoted - a term limit actually incentivizes the selection/nomination/approval of judges who will "do their bidding" for the short term and not concern themselves about "the big picture." It's not perfect either way. The Founders knew this and that is why federal judges have life appointments - again, not perfect on the day to day political scene, but in the long run there is the opportunity that justices appreciate their appointment and freedom to actually do their job - i.e., interpret the laws under the Constitution and not write new law from the bench - leaving the amending/writing/passing of laws/amendments to Congress, which is the voice of the people. It is dynamic and chaotic to be sure, but it's also the best system so far.

    Now, to those who just want the "conservative" justices to be removed or out voted - pls look over the last 65 years or so. The "Republican" justices have been the swing vote in favor of "Democrat/Left" policies/goals on nearly every issue. There are no significant examples where a "Democrat" justice has been the swing vote in favor of the "Republican/Right" policies/goals. Lots to debate there - do Republican Presidents nominate justices who follow the law vs Democrats only nominate party lackeys; Are Democrat/left policies so "correct" that even Republican justices have to agree? That, my friends, is the intent/beauty of this system. I don't have the answer and neither do you. But, in the long run, it hopefully works out. Or, we can just do what the Democrats want now and remove the debate. Good luck with that resulting in a better American community.
     
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  12. sierragator

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    Not going to happen. The gop has it right where it wants it.
     
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  13. citygator

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    Voters get to decide congress and change their minds. Hard to live with a decision made 50 years ago. I do not support term limits for directly elected individuals - you think parties are too strong today... wait till they dont even have personalities pushing against them because they are all products of a machine.
     
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  14. ajoseph

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    The biggest problem of all is campaign financing. Take away the unlimited funds, force candidates to run on their policies instead of merciless and frequently false attack ads, and maybe we can get people in Congress that we actually believe in.
     
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  15. Gatorrick22

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    That is interesting that you say that, but the Executive branch is the only one of the 3 branches that has a term limits. Why not make them all term limited, as in, pass a congressional term limit too? If you're imposing this on the SCOTUS, then we must also have faith in the congress first... The congress has a lower approval rating than the other two branches of government on average.
     
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  16. gatorchamps960608

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    This is a good first step but all federal judges need a code of ethics that disallows bribery. Clarence Thomas' abuse of this has been outrageous and even moreso that he won't recuse from cases when it's absolutely appropriate.
     
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  17. gator95

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    I get that. We have limits on the Presidency I also think we should have limits on Congressional seats as well. Not sure the argument against. Let them do maybe 12 years or so(I'm open to 8 like the Presidency as well). I'm good with USSC being staggered and have a 12 year run as well. Also, we need to restrict Congress from trading on their insider knowledge. That is complete BS that they are allowed to do that while literally no one else can.
     
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  18. OklahomaGator

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    My previous thought on term limits was 12 years for each of the three elected positions, House, Senate, and the President. If a guy can get elected to 3 different positions over 11 elections, he must be doing something right. However, I have switched from term limits to an age limit.
     
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    I like it along with a more robust and enforceable code of ethics.
     
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  20. gatorjo

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    I agree.

    I'm pretty sure Trump got this done though, while he was President.

    Oh wait, it was just another thing he said he'd do but didn't actually bother with.


    “If I’m elected president, I will push for a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress,” Trump said at the time. “They’ve been talking about that for years. Decades of failure in Washington and decades of special interest dealing must and will come to an end.”


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...172f6a-b332-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html
     
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