Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

The Dark is Getting Darker

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gatormonk, Jul 26, 2024.

  1. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    And you are ignoring that there are two separate references going on. I think the Bishop type hat on the person at the center of the table is a clue
     
  2. gatorchamps0607

    gatorchamps0607 Always Rasta VIP Member

    51,351
    20,691
    14,063
    Aug 14, 2007
    Gallatin, TN
    I dunno, on this one if you compare them it definitely looks more like the painting Feast of the Gods. The way they are posing even mimicks that painting more than The Last Supper.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  3. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    15,442
    1,966
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    Yeah, there is also a more famous Italian painting by the same name. It was one of the more common subjects of the Renaissance, so a bunch of paintings were made with that title.
     
    • Informative Informative x 3
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    15,442
    1,966
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    Jesus isn't even wearing a hat in The Last Supper. Nor does he have a halo in that painting.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  5. gatormonk

    gatormonk GC Hall of Fame

    7,215
    6,412
    2,603
    Apr 3, 2007
    20240728_112413.jpg
     
    • Off-topic Off-topic x 1
  6. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Why is the center one in a bishops hat?
    Just stop. Admit it was poor taste.

    Even liberal non religious posters here have been honest and done that. Why is it so hard for you? Are you getting some kind of alt lib street cred points that we are unaware of?

    As for me getting offended. I mean you seem to make that your goal here

    I dont start threads slamming anyone. I dont start threads trying to light fires.

    I just comment on existing topics.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

    34,863
    1,672
    2,258
    Apr 8, 2007
    Was Dionysius there throughout, or was it a changing scene? First the people at the table, and then he showed up?
    I looked for the video but everything was full of reaction rather than just the scene.
     
  8. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Curious where you stand on the scene
    Yet a christian image is used.
    This is why it appears to be intentional.
     
  9. gatorchamps0607

    gatorchamps0607 Always Rasta VIP Member

    51,351
    20,691
    14,063
    Aug 14, 2007
    Gallatin, TN
    It looks much more like the feast of the gods where they are all randomly looking around with different poses.

    In the Last Supper most people are focused on Jesus.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  10. WarDamnGator

    WarDamnGator GC Hall of Fame

    10,365
    1,271
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    Was Jesus wearing a Bishop hat in the Last Supper? Most people were seated in the Last Supper, not standing. There were 13 people in the last supper, which is a non-negotiable part of the story. There was no naked smurf guy in the Last Supper.

    Christians: That's definitely supposed to be Last Supper ... they just got most of it wrong.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  11. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    First the table...He arrives later under a platter.
    As if he is the meal...

    The official olympic site has removed it now, but there are videos on social media.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  12. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Non Christians. "A Christian figure in the middle of a table has no meaning. And the guy who created the program has still not denied it but we will believe the people scared of losing money"
     
  13. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    15,442
    1,966
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    Renaissance paintings often combined Christian imagery with scenes from Greek and Roman religions. If you look at the Feast of the Gods painting that I posted earlier from France, they had Apollo have a halo like Christians typically use for Jesus (but, which, notably, The Last Supper does not contain).

    Do you really think that they were using an Italian painting instead of a French painting when all of the other paintings that they referenced were French? Because, then you would also need to argue that they chose to add the halo (which isn't in The Last Supper) and chose to add Dionysius (who was not in The Last Supper), whereas both of those elements exist in the French version of The Feast of the Gods.

    The other paintings utilized were French paintings re-created pretty consistently (minus the lack of nudity) and the use of a few modern elements.
     
    • Informative Informative x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  14. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

    34,863
    1,672
    2,258
    Apr 8, 2007
    Even with the different number of people, the hat, etc ... Looking at the images Monk posted above. it's hardly a stretch to see it as the last supper. That'd be my first reaction.


    An Olympics Scene Draws Scorn. Was It Really Referencing ‘The Last Supper’?
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  15. WarDamnGator

    WarDamnGator GC Hall of Fame

    10,365
    1,271
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    Maybe it has meaning, just not the meaning you want. Even if true, that she is supposed to represent Jesus, she is wearing a Christian hat and giving the "I love you" hand signal... so how is that "mocking" Jesus. What did they do that is "anti-christian", other the fact that some Christians don't think they should be allowed to exist? If it were a bunch of Alabama frat boys recreating this in the same exact way, they'd be praised as anti-woke college student heros ... put an LGBT person there, and it's "mocking Jesus".
     
  16. gaterzfan

    gaterzfan GC Hall of Fame

    1,627
    313
    1,698
    Feb 6, 2020
    The mocking is pathetic, sad but .... we are told this will happen. Knowing this, it is a little more difficult to get angry with those that created the exhibit and those that defend it and/or attack believers for not liking the depiction. I believe we are also told there will be those who attack our faith, beliefs, and values. Their words and actions say far more about them ... than they do about Christianity and those who are Christians.

    If we really want to aggravate a non-believer (and should we really want to do that??) .... just tell them we will pray for their soul. :)
     
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  17. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    15,442
    1,966
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    I thought it was The Last Supper as a non-art expert. It is obviously the most famous painting that is set up like that. But the alternative claim does seem to fit a bit better. It is a French painting (like all of the other artwork referenced in the Opening Ceremonies), it includes the Dionysius figure, who seems completely out of place in The Last Supper, and does have some of the visual elements in that painting.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  18. lacuna

    lacuna The Conscience of Too Hot Moderator VIP Member

    63,267
    3,676
    2,353
    Apr 8, 2007
    Redlands, Colorado
    From the pictures I've seen and the published descriptions I'm not a fan and in firm agreement the inclusion was in poor taste, vulgar, offensive and not appropriate for this event. But I'm not convinced it was deliberately planned. I have not seen any video so I'm only speculating when I say it could have been a coincidence discovered in staging the costumed depictors in their places. Did they move around much?

    Not having seen the boat I don't know how it was set up but I am familiar with boats trafficking the Seine. We've taken a couple of dinner cruises in years past and I know the boats are narrow. The staging was necessarily constrained by the dimensions of the stage it was set on. That dictates the arrangement of the group on the stage.

    In some ways the tableau had a passing resemblence to Da Vinci's painting, but as mentioned - it could have been an unhappy cooincidence the Bacchanalian group discovered while staging the tableau. The costuming, especially of the central figures, is more in keeping with the stated theme, celebrating Dionysus. Artists (and staging is an art) set their stages to enhance or communicate the intention of the scene. "Staging is a subtle yet powerful way to communicate the emotions of all the characters and of the scene itself to the audience. Staging can, and always will, stimulate the imagination and power of projection in each audience member."
    Again -
    "Staging can, and always will, stimulate the imagination and power of projection in each audience member."

    I'm more inclined to think it was a passing but unfortunate coincidence that was possibly discovered before they set off on that cruise.
     
    • Best Post Ever Best Post Ever x 1
  19. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

    24,254
    2,472
    1,868
    Apr 3, 2007
    If that performance was so offensive to you, the things Trump says and does must outrage you to your very Christian core.
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 3
  20. BossaGator

    BossaGator GC Hall of Fame

    4,509
    180
    203
    Apr 10, 2007
    Arlington, VA
    Oh, the pearl clutching!
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1