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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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    How’s that regime change working out ?

     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    Why grownups shouldn’t be allowed to say the war was unprovoked …

     
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  4. chemgator

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    What else is he supposed to do? Admit that he might be doomed to have to trust an untrustworthy idiot with business ties to Russia? Besides, Trump responds well to flattery, and not so well to the truth.

    No way in hell does Zelenskyy prefer to work with Trump over Biden, Harris, or almost anyone else running for U.S. president, except for maybe worm-brain.
     
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  5. chemgator

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    Why immature grownups should not be allowed to post on grownup threads. You're quoting the pro-Russian former leader of Ukraine during a time when Russia was smuggling terrorists and weapons into the country in a takeover bid as evidence that Russia was "provoked" into starting the war eight years later? Get a life.
     
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  6. PITBOSS

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    I brought it up in #27167 and the following post you gave your insights.

    But for Zelenskyy/trump, as someone who desperately wants to see Ukraine keep Russia out of their country, stop blow up their citizens and kidnap Ukrainian children, I think it’s good news. Hopefully Zelenskyy can continue that effort while walking a diplomatic tightrope during our contentious election period. I would like to see Zelenskyy and his wife go to the maga compound and visit Trump and Vance for dinner. Or get Trump to Ukraine. But at the same time Zelenskyy can’t upset the Dems currently in the WH and who are actually sending him life saving aid.
     
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  7. slayerxing

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    We’ve kinda had some other stuff going on I can’t even keep track of the news fast enough lol. But listen at the end of the day Zelenskyy doesn’t care if Mickey Mouse is president as long as he gets us and western support against Russia. He’d probably sell his soul for that. So working with trump is a non issue and honestly it’s easy. Just kiss his ass a ton - and I mean a ton, and he’ll probably get what he wants. Or at least I hope.
     
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  8. exiledgator

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    I get the sentiment, but Z cant offer enough.

    Tossing DJTs salad isn't enough adulation to overcome Trump's love of authoritarians. Nor to overcome whatever leverage Putin may have.

    Trump doesn't care for the long term interest of this country. He cares about himself in this very moment, and there's precious little Z can do to compete with the here and now of dear leaders fragile ego and fragile situation.
     
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  9. ajoseph

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    Come ON!!!! It’s intentional to throw your children into a meat grinder with the hope that another country will elect your friend?!?!?!
     
  10. ajoseph

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    Putin to his admiral: Reposition our Black Sea fleet to the bottom of the sea.
     
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  11. G8trGr8t

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    This impact will be delayed but it will have an impact. damn shame it took this long for them to get serious about the sanctions

    US sanctions have tanked Russian semi-chip imports from China and Hong Kong, new data shows (msn.com)

    Transshipments of advanced components through mainland China fell 19% between January and May, while shipments through Hong Kong dropped 28%, the outlet said.

    The Commerce Department provided the previously undisclosed data. An official told Reuters that the slowdown resulted from the aggressive enforcement of US sanctions.

    Also cited was closer cooperation with any firms whose products were transshipped. This refers to a practice where illicit goods are first exported to an intermediate destination, which helps circumvent restrictions. It's been a known risk to US efforts since sanctions began.

    "We are talking to any company whose items are showing up on the battlefield," the official told Reuters, but did not specify the firms' names.
     
  12. okeechobee

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    You can kick and scream all you want. This war is in its final days.
     
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  13. ajoseph

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    Maybe? Not sure how that’s in any way responsive to the post, but you’ve been saying that for 2 years now.
     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    Not enough labor, not enough goods
    Russian economy braces for "shock therapy" amid spiraling inflation

    Putin's Invasion Has Cost Him 1.7 Million Workers: Report



    Russia's Central Bank is expected to raise its key interest rate to curb the high inflation that has followed Vladimir Putin's invasion, but one expert said that even higher "shock therapy" rises are needed to cool the overheated wartime economy.

    Russia has so far weathered relatively well the turbulence of sanctions imposed to isolate the country from the global financial system as punishment for Putin's aggression. However, there are concerns of economic problems on the horizon.

    Expected 2024 growth of 2.9 percent has been boosted mostly by government spending on the military, but it comes amid a labor shortage that has spiked wages and fueled annual inflation, which, at 8.6 percent, is over twice the 4 percent Central Bank has targeted. Newsweek has contacted the Russian Central Bank for comment.


    To tighten monetary policy and curb inflation, the key Central Bank interest rate at which other banks can borrow is expected to rise from 16 percent to 18 percent when the institution meets on July 26, according to Russian business outlets RBC and Vedemosti.

    However, Alexei Antonov, head of investment consulting at Alor Broker, has said that even this increase will not be enough to cool the overheated economy. He did not rule the bank "resorting to the 'shock therapy'... of a 20 to 24 percent interest rate for a short time," reported Profinance.ru, a financial news outlet.
     
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  15. okeechobee

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    I have not been saying this for 2 years now. That Zelenskyy even held the call with Trump, this far out from the election (ie Trump has zero power to make any decisions right now) is very telling. Zelenskyy has always wanted peace. He ran for president on a peace with Russia platform. I would love to go into more detail, but you don’t want detail.
     
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  16. PITBOSS

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    You think Zelenskyy would negotiate and give up land for peace? From what I’ve seen Ukraine has been consistent in their refusal to surrender land or make a ceasefire deal with Putin. Especially Putin. Maybe after Trump gets into office and cuts them off, but that would be into next year.
     
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  17. ursidman

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    Are sanctions and drones having an effect? Seems so.
    Thread by @ArturRehi on Thread Reader App

    The Central Bank of Russia is suspending the publication of statistics on the over-the-counter currency market. This follows from a message on the regulator's website. The Central Bank explains that the decision was made to limit the impact of sanctions.


    This means that
    1/13 the ruble has absolutely no clear exchange rate. Now the Central Bank sets this rate at its own discretion. But the main expectation is July 26, when the Central Bank will announce an increase in the key rate. Experts predict growth from 16% to 18% but there may be surprises
     
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  18. Gatorhead

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    Zelenski and everybody I listen to from the Ukranian perspective advises the same thing. Any negotiated deal with Putin will result in Russian consolidation, a pause to regroup, and then the tanks will roll. I support his view.

    Why -

    A couple of examples - Georgia and of course Crimea. Thats exactly the pattern. Anyone that believes otherwise is denying reality.
    Then of course, what comes next? The Baltic States??

    Another fine example of totalitarian B.S. - of course (the classic) is the "Munich Agreement" - Hitler "Oh no I only want the "Sudetenland" - well that little proclamation
    wound up ending outside Lennngrad, Moscow and Stalingrad.
     
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  19. CHFG8R

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    IDK. Seems like kissing his ass actually works. He's just that small minded and base. He even had words of half-hearted approval for the aid package once it finally went through. Only upside of Trump is that he's all about Trump and will back anything that makes him more popular in the general public's eyes. Just look at his gutting of abortion language in the RNC platform. The thinking (among those in denial) is that this is "just for the election", but who says it is. If 70% of Americans back the position of making abortion an exclusively state (not national) issue, do you think he'll turn back? Hell the F no he isn't, especially with no reelection on the horizon.

    In a way, that's kind of awesome. The idiots will vote for him three times only to see him kill their favorite pet issue.

    I think it's the same with Ukraine. Once he realized his anti-Ukraine rhetoric only worked with the dumbest of MAGA morons, he clamed up about it and became clearly more non-committal.
     
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    Not sure its even a good idea for Ukraine to get Crimea back. Strategically, I get it. But when you consider 1.5M Russians and a possible insurrection, that's the last thing Ukraine needs. That said, the solution here is pretty obvious. South Korea. While they're regrouping, you do the same, fortify, lay mines and make any future attempt a death wish.
     
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