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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by TheGator, Jul 21, 2024.

  1. ajoseph

    ajoseph Premium Member

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    I cannot emphasize how much I disagree with this. I welcome debating actual issues. Debating whether someone is too old, or whether someone is duly prosecuted, gets old. At this point, nobody is going to convince the other whether their position is correct.

    I think some people have great difficulty understanding someone else’s point of view. Some posts are just fine for yelling at people to scream what you believe, in your heart to, to be true. Those posts, IMO, are not very effective for a debate or convincing someone that there’s a stronger “other story.” But I suspect they make one feel good about themselves. Which is nice, too.
     
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  2. GatorLegend

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    Wow, that’s a lot to digest and as you probably expected I don’t agree with with most of it. I do appreciate the response. I sense a strong dislike of the man, the person, more than I see dislike of the policies. One of the other posters said Trump doesn’t have any policies, maybe that’s a better way to skirt the question.
    1) Appointing poor federal justices. See, I couldn’t disagree more. After watching the weaponization of our department of Justice I say thank God we have some honest judges in this country. Let me give you an example. So Hunters team comes up with an offer of total immunity for all of Hunters crimes. The judge appropriately turned that request down, did you disagree?
    2) Family separation. Don’t know enough about the details but thought that Trumps policy was similar to Obama in regards to family separation.
    3 Bungling Covid? He had to rely on people like Dr. Fauci. He’s lied nonstop since the beginning. Trump did get a vaccine made available in record time. Did it save additional lives? Who knows for sure. Bipolar behavior, I don’t follow.
    4) Tax cuts. Sorry, I’m for any and all tax cuts. Cut spending any and every way possible.
    5) and 8) Chaotic behavior and Lying. More personal attacks, not policy related. Added 11) Numerous awful statements! You’re repeating yourself!
    6) 14) and 15) Trying to overturn election. I know you were trying to make a point and be funny! Once was enough!
    7) Building a wall. I thought Biden suggested additional funds to complete the wall within his proposed border legislation that Trump was against?
    9) Trying to reclassify Federal employees. I believe he was trying to decrease the size of federal government. Good for us bad for those employees.
    12) Cozying up to foreign dictators. Well I don’t know about you but I prefer no foreign wars. We had none under Trump because he wasn’t weak like Biden. Why did we give hundreds of billions to Iran under both Biden and OBama to fund terrorism?
    13) Political corruption. Again a personal attack. You can’t be referring to the perfect phone call, can you? I kid, I kid!
    I appreciate your response and I will admit you are more familiar with these issues than I am but since you took the time to respond I wanted to as well.
     
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  3. GatorLegend

    GatorLegend VIP Member

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    Gatorjo, I thought you were done taking me to task, and we had parted as Buddies? JK!
     
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  4. gatorjo

    gatorjo GC Hall of Fame

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    No foreign wars under Trump....
    Fauci is responsible for Trump's covid grotesquery....
    tax cuts = spending cuts....
    LOL, coercing Zelensky was funny...
    Biden and Obama gave Iran 100s of billions....
    weaponized Justice department....
    Biden built Trump's wall.....

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    YAWN.


    Informative and interesting debate.
     
  5. gator_lawyer

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    Hunter was pleading guilty to multiple crimes and getting two years of probation. He wasn't receiving immunity. Trump's picks were overwhelmingly atrocious. Rabid partisans. The judiciary's approval rating has absolutely tanked since they've taken over.
    It was not. It was bad enough that the blowback forced Trump to rescind it. Much, much worse than Obama's more targeted policy, which wasn't great to start.
    Cutting taxes for wealthy people and corporations during a strong economy while continuing to increase spending is bad policy imo.
    I don't think once was enough. I think three may not have been enough. He tried to end our republic to maintain his hold on power.
    Not exactly correct. Biden is not trying to build a wall spanning the Southern border. The border compromise would have required Biden's admin to use funding already set aside to finish portions of border fencing that Trump wanted to build. It would not have required an entire wall.
    No, he was trying to destroy the merit system so he could replace competent federal employees with political allies, the exact thing we enacted federal legislation to prevent due to the spoils system and the corruption and incompetence it caused.
    We had boots on the ground in a foreign war Trump's entire presidency. Biden got us out of the Middle East.
    I appreciate the response and the cordial conversation.
     
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  6. gatorjo

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    LOL. See the post following yours here.
     
  7. GatorLegend

    GatorLegend VIP Member

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    Well, I guess it could be but you’re not cooperating. It takes two to have an informative and interesting debate. Jo, you’ve memorized some talking points that have been almost completely debunked or will be soon. Refer to GatorLawyers posts to see what an intelligent debate looks like.
     
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  8. GatorBowl1969

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    Drop the intellectually superior facade.
     
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