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Trump Claims Blacks Will Die Because Immigrants Will Take Their Jobs

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by AzCatFan, Jul 17, 2024.

  1. Gator515151

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    Oh it is pretty simple if you have a brain.......do a search for the term you are looking for, put my name in the posted by member space. Of course you are not real bright so I doubt you can do something like that. Good day, sir.
     
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  2. AzCatFan

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    The old "he can't be racist...he has a black friend" trope.

    Please explain how Trump saying blacks could suffer and die because undocumented immigrants, who are mainly uneducated, will take their jobs is not racist? Or as asked before, how Trump not wanting a black accountant is not racist? Or being sued for racial housing discrimination is not racist? Or quoting Mein Kamph and saying immigrants are "poisoning the blood" of the country is not racist?

    Appointing an unqualified person to a cabinet position doesn't wipe the slate clean.
     
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  3. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Why do I bother to communicate with you?
     
  4. Orange_and_Bluke

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    The old nothing will satisfy the libbie saviors…who need a cause.
    You’re rhetoric may make you feel good about yourself,
    But I assure you that you’re wrong about racism in America and more importantly you are helping divide it.
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    Deflect simple questions much? Just because you don't think quoting Hitler, saying you don't want a black accountant, or believe uneducated immigrants will steal black jobs aren't obvious cases of racism, doesn't mean they aren't obvious cases of racism. Because they are. Unless you care to explain why they aren't?
     
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  6. Orange_and_Bluke

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    The only obvious case here is that you and your libbie circle will never see straight on racism.
    Pointless engaging…I’ll save the board a couple extra posts.
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    If I'm seeing racism where there isn't any, please explain it. How is a false claim undocumented immigrants will steal black jobs not a blatant case of racism? Explain it, or stop claiming it's not.
     
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  8. mdgator05

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    Again, nothing but insults. I have avoided insulting you and treated your viewpoint with respect and even treated it as in good faith when it shouldn't have been, probably. Whether you can handle somebody pushing back on your points but not insulting you is up to you.
     
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    What is "straight on racism" if it is not declaring that you don't like people of a race doing a job and would prefer people from another race to do it?
     
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  10. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Brainwashing is an ugly thing.
    Seek help bro.
     
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  11. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Hint…
    It isn’t.
     
  12. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Good faith huh?
    If you ever post an agreement with a pub poster it would be the first.
    Good luck bud.
     
  13. AzCatFan

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    Try arguing in good faith, bro. I've asked some very simple questions. You not only refuse to answer, you result to insults. I'm not the one who needs help.

    If all you can do is respond with insults when I ask why Trump falsely believes undocumented immigrants will cause blacks to lose jobs and die isn't racist, then I'm going to assume you can't answer honestly, and know that it is as blatantly racist as can be.
     
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  14. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Guy, Trump is a moron but I’d hardly call him racist.
    Your obsession with calling whites racist is unhealthy.
    That’s not an insult…it’s just good advice from a great gator friend.
    Look into it.
     
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  15. AzCatFan

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    Where did I call white racist? I admitted many of Biden's statements from the past is racist. I also pointed out many of Trump's actions and words are racist. That's it. Again, Trump quoting Mein Kamph and believing uneducated undocumented immigrants are going to steal black jobs are both racist. Are they not? Doesn't mean every white person is racist. Your leap of logic is silly. Get some help, bro.
     
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  16. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Knew you wouldn’t take my advice…
    Oh well I tried.
     
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  17. AzCatFan

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    Answer my questions, bro. Stop deflecting. Everything is NOT racist. But some things certainly are. Where does quoting Hitler and claiming undocumented immigrants will steal black jobs and cause blacks to die rank?
     
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  18. mdgator05

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    Okay, then what would be?
     
  19. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Just because you want people to be racist doesn’t mean they are.
    Trump is a sloppy a hole who is very loose with words.
    But everyone knows that by now right?
     
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  20. mdgator05

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    Good faith presentation of an argument and agreement are not the same notion.

    Good faith disagreement would, in theory, in this case, involve differing standards of the term racism. So, for example, a good faith disagreement could be that somebody says that his "s-hole countries" comments are racist, as he chose primarily Black and Hispanic countries to call that while choosing primarily White countries as the "good" countries from which to bring immigrants. A person could argue that the basis for this split is racism. Another person could argue back that despite the obvious racial differences, he labeled those countries based on some other factor, such as economic development, and the split by race is either coincidental or at least non-purposeful.

    As of now, you have yet to provide a single argument for what would be racist if labeling some race less capable of doing a job is not it. That is the bad faith. You are jumping between arguing that quotes are too specific or too general depending on the situation. This seems to suggest that you either don't want to say your true argument (which, in my estimation is likely that you don't believe any statement is racism) or at least that you want to maintain the flexibility to argue literally every statement from Trump isn't racist for contradictory reasons, just so that nothing he says can ever be racist.

    Either way, the disagreement is in bad faith and you are unable to articulate why that wouldn't be racist and what would be racist.
     
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